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Its so eerily familiar when I think about some posts on youtube, or other sites on the VM, and the creators responses.
Hopefully you guys find this entertaining/funny. My personal favourite was "Science is about reproducibility, I can have the most brilliant, crazy, fun, idea ever and if I perform and experiment and no one else can duplicate that experiment? It belongs in the trash heap. It's me in my own world thinking I have landed on objective truth when in fact I haven't, that's how science works! The reproducibility of results."
To use the terminology of the Dunning-Kruger graph, we are often dealing with people who have set up camp at the "peak of Mount Stupid". Our duty, as peers, is to get them to descend into the Valley of Despair; an unpleasant phase we have to go through before we can start building actual expertise. It is no wonder this usually fails, and theorists prefer to stay put on the Peak instead.
The experience Neil deGrasse Tyson describes in this video reminds me a lot of what I went through with a certain well-known theorist. I took a large part of my day to point out to him the problems with his theory, starting with fundamental concepts of linguistics. All to no avail.
As mentioned in another thread, many Voynich solutions have an inbuilt mechanism that makes reduplication impossible to attempt. So it's not only that repeating the process leads to different results. It's that the process is inherently unrepeatable because it requires some oracle-like interpretation from the lofty peaks of Mount Stupid. A black box mere mortals cannot access.
(14-06-2024, 03:53 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. A black box mere mortals cannot access.
I recall one solver modestly referred to this requirement as "having a certain type of brain".
It must be noted though, that this video is about mathematics and physics. Hard sciences. Parts of solutions that rely on things like art history are inherently interpretative and somewhat subjective. They must be assessed by different means than repeatability.
That said, any solution of the text should be repeatable to a large degree. Otherwise it's just creative writing.
It certainly will be tricky if the VM turns out to align with all the implied characteristics from data analysis etc, but I do wish I could force some people to watch this before going off to "decipher" the entire VM based on a word being "June".. when they have absolutely no way of showing "June" is June, other than they found 12 words and it was the sixth
The most frustrating thing with mediums such as Youtube is whenever something like this rolls around, all the critical and interesting comments sink to the bottom and the top layer is full of praise and amazement from a group that.. I honestly think would do the same if I said the ghost of my long lost great (x15) grandmothers cat told me the answer in a dream..