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I guess coincidentally similar layout, but still suggestive. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
The Munich illustration is about Ecballium elaterium, also called the squirting cucumber. The illustration is about inducing vomit by an extract from the fruit. I cannot read the marginal note above the illustration, it likely refers to the previous chapter which appears to be about the same plant.

Latin text and ChatGPT translation:

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I see what you mean, Marco. The similar arrangement of substance, vessel and reclining patient in the margin is very striking. And at the same time we can say with some confidence that the treatment is different, given the apparent topical application of the substance to the patient's stomach.
(24-06-2024, 05:56 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.apparent topical application of the substance to the patient's stomach.
I would not go that far. The figure has a hand on the stomach. It might mean a lot of different things.
So far no luck finding similar illustrations in other Dioscorides or derived manuscripts.
(24-06-2024, 07:33 PM)Bernd Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I would not go that far. The figure has a hand on the stomach. It might mean a lot of different things.

I believe that what Marco showed You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is a strong argument for topical application of the yellow stuff as the leading hypothesis.
In the Alchemical Herbal (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.), there's an example of a plaster upon the belly, so this practice is documented elsewhere.

Item si quis haberet vermes in corpore, accipe de ista herba et pistetur et emplastretur supra ventrem: omnes vermes morientur et egredientur inferius, et hoc est probatum.

Also, if anyone had worms in their body: take this herb and crush it, then plaster it on the belly; all the worms will die and come out from below, and this is proven.
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EDIT: This is from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (8th Century):

167. Ad Combustum. Polenta cum aqua subacta et adposita sanat.


For Burns. Porridge (polenta/pulenta) mixed with water and applied heals.
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Weird rayed daisy on similarly structured plant???

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I've seen this one but could not make much sense of it. Now that you mention it there are some similarities.
I'm not good at reading Greek, the top seems to say ὀπός meaning plant juice or sap.
The bottom χύλισμα meaning extract or extracted plant juice. I can't read the plant name.
The word in red says PEUKEDANON, but this looks nothing like this plant.
(26-06-2024, 06:48 PM)Bernd Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I can't read the plant name.

ChatGPT recognizes the plant as chamomile.


For comparison:

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Cod. Med. gr. 1 (Faks.), fol. 31v : Wiener Dioskurides; Byzanz, um 512

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The flower could be right, but otherwise it doesn't fit.
(26-06-2024, 07:02 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The word in red says PEUKEDANON, but this looks nothing like this plant.
According to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. : The name of the genus derives from the Greek
peukedanon, which was the Greek name given by Dioscorides and
Pliny to P. officinale and related species.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., there are 3 plants P. officinalis, the one that matches better is You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Koen G. You compared the plant with the VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. but I think that it is closer to the VMS f40r, both plants are in the same folio, maybe it is not casual
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If the VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is also a PEUKEDAMON the one that better maches would be You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. In You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. there is a detail of the roots: The root of the male is about a finger thick and a span long; Its flavor is astringent, white. Those of the female have lateral shoots like acorns, seven or eight, like the asphodel.
This description of the roots can be applied to the roots of the VMS f40v?
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