Yeah, I hope to see the day when a few paragraphs got translated meaningfully too which should lead to it eventual full translation. I am trying to do it, but I doubt it would be me.
But one never knows, do we? This headline just illustrates it:
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A simple change to a code -- "a code that has been studied extensively for almost two decades" -- and it solved a 20-years Quantum problem.
Quote:"It's quite amazing to me that nobody spotted it in the 20-or-so years that people have been working on that model."
And I believe the 'people' who
have been working on that model are the quantum physicists and experts.
For VMS, it has been over 100 years since its rediscovery, and no one has yet to decipher or translate it. More so for the last 50 years, with the aids of computers, and in the last two decades, with the collaborative internet.
Just waiting for that new insight ....
(14-04-2021, 06:33 AM)mscheo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Just waiting for that new insight ....
This hits the nail on the head.
Unfortunately, most people just keep on doing the same thing over and over, with minor variations.
Just that is what it takes, a new insight.
But please, no computers
(14-04-2021, 08:15 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (14-04-2021, 06:33 AM)mscheo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Just waiting for that new insight ....
This hits the nail on the head.
Unfortunately, most people just keep on doing the same thing over and over, with minor variations.
This appears to be true for those who are claiming solutions (there's a great sameness to them, mostly basic substitution with a high dose of subjective interpretation). I'm not sure it's true for those who have not yet offered solutions but who are working on the problem.
(14-04-2021, 06:11 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. I'm not sure it's true for those who have not yet offered solutions but who are working on the problem.
I sometimes wonder how many people, as an absolute number, are working on a Voynich solution, convinced that they are the only one who's on the right track. I wouldn't be surprised if it's over a hundred.
(14-04-2021, 06:11 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This appears to be true for those who are claiming solutions
Yes, absolutely, in the sense of the thread title.
Why should one even bother to communicate anything anymore.
No matter what evidence one presents. It is always wrong anyway.
Some can't and others don't want to understand.
Now I'm just talking about the German text in the VM.
If the simple is not understood, you don't even have to start with the difficult.
Even the simplest images suddenly become the rarest of myths.
We don't even have to talk about criticism. It's always there, but never constructive.
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(14-04-2021, 09:30 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Why should one even bother to communicate anything anymore.
No matter what evidence one presents. It is always wrong anyway.
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We don't even have to talk about criticism. It's always there, but never constructive.
Answer: Because one can learn something from it.
Case in point: Certain recent critical comments by Marco, aimed at me (partly directly and partly indirectly), regardless of whether they were intended to be "constructive" or not, impelled me to go back and re-examine some of my very recent work on the Middle English hypothesis. I found some new ideas, re-focused my work on function words as Marco suggested, and as a result I believe I have improved the hypothesis, catching and discarding some previous mistakes, and finding some better and more promising lines of investigation. (This material is found in the recent posts in the "problematic...Germanic" thread, by the way.) Benjamin Franklin once said, "My enemies are really my friends, because they point out my weaknesses." Now I don't consider anyone on this forum to be my enemies, but let's use the phrase "sharp critics". It is not a pleasant experience to have one's mistakes caught and pointed out, but if one wants to accomplish something as difficult as deciphering the Voynich manuscript text, it is very likely going to be a necessary and unavoidable part of the process.
Geoffrey C.
Do you have any clue as to what you are basing this on, that it could be Middle English? Or did you just roll the dice on the language?
Now it's not about learning alone, you have to be able to put what you learn into practice.
(14-04-2021, 10:36 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Do you have any clue as to what you are basing this on, that it could be Middle English? Or did you just roll the dice on the language?
Now it's not about learning alone, you have to be able to put what you learn into practice.
These are very fair questions, and I would like to answer them, but this conversation more appropriately belongs, for now, in the "problematic...Germanic" thread where my discussion of the Middle English hypothesis began and still continues.