[quote="Anton" pid='34328' dateline='1579693866']
Once again, it's not a normal writing, it's writing along the circumference. Draw a circumference and try to write words along it, not rotating the sheet of paper. You'll then understand what I mean.[quote]
Yes, I do know that.
When I was creating my transcripts, I spent days carefully turning and working out the writing in the small circles on the rosettes folio and on the zodiac folios. I could tell when the scribe's hand was writing more and more sideways (he clearly didn't want to turn the sheet any more often than necessary), and you can even see the point at which the folio got turned and the writing straightened out again. I always take the direction into consideration.
Anton Wrote: (22-01-2020, 12:10 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I don't think there are any 1/2-length left-legs on EVA-k anywhere in the VMS
Definitely there are, extended EVA &176; Not to mention the EVA z.
Extended EVA-176 does NOT have a short leg on the left and it does not have a giant loop.
EVA-z does not have a long leg on the right that goes considerably below the baseline and it does not have a giant loop.
Plus, the legs are never that close together so they are almost on top of each other, not even in the writing around the other circles.
The circle on the left isn't as small, but it shows that even in circles EVA-k and EVA-t are normal and the legs are clearly some distance apart and the right-hand legs don't go below the baseline.
The one on the right is pretty small and yet it's still very easy to make out EVA-k even though the writing is slanty.
Also notice the tiny serif that is almost always added to the bottom-right "toe" of EVA-k and EVA-t. They are there most of the time, even in small writing around circles.
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(22-01-2020, 09:27 AM)Paris Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Maybe it's "fond".
2. it's a french expression.
"à fond" = fully, thoroughly.
I doubt that this expression was used in 15th century.
As well, adverb "a fond" means "to the bottom", as initial meaning, that became "fully" and "exactly".
It existed in XVI c., possibly, already was used in XV c.
Aller à fond, couler à fond (Termes de Mer ) - To sink, to go down to the bottom.
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Nice is the last word in the spiral.
Since the word shows no combination except the "um" ending, but a double symbol.
Based on my work, I think of "possum" " " a possum " " a possus "
The spreading, the spreading
(22-01-2020, 01:21 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Extended EVA-176 does NOT have a short leg on the left and it does not have a giant loop.
Well at least its left leg is shorter that the right, as for the "giant" loop - it's really not much larger than the loop in the subsequent
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Besides, there are characters with short left legs, such as extended EVA 146 or 186.
Regarding suggested "cleartext" readings, do you really think that the guy who covered hundreds of pages with tens of thousand of vords would suddenly fail to encrypt something as commonplace as "fond" or "stund" right in between? This could be taken seriously if there were other occurrences of unencrypted text elsewhere, but there are none, so sorry I don't buy that.
See the little tickmark on the right foot of EVA-t and EVA-k? It's almost always there. Besides the fact that the leg is unusually long, slightly curved (which is not usual either), and the loop unusually large, there's no sign of a tickmark (serif) on the bottom-right leg of the mystery character.
It differs from EVA-k in too many ways for me to believe that this is a messy EVA-k.
The tickmark may just have faded out.
Don't fall for one-author thinking, Anton. It is certain that multiple people scribed on this manuscript. How can you rule out that one of them included these words for whatever reason?
It's not "words" but one word. As I said if there were several, I'd be more inclined to think it's cleartext.
It's really independent from the number of authors. The point is that the text is encrypted, or let's say it's in an unknown language, so what's that "whatever" reason to include one plaintext word amid tens of thousands? My first choice is that it's just messed and blotted Voynichese, for that very simple and precise reason that it's on the circumference and he wrote it from an unconvenient angle. Note not only it's illegible, it's also blotted.
There's nothing in that token that looks like Voynichese. Not one single one of the shapes looks like a Voynich glyph. I don't know what it is, but it's not like the rest of the text.