The Voynich Ninja

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Actually, the VM crown has 4 points and not 3.
If you look at the right crown a little more in perspective, you also see only 4 points.

But this woman has a very special, historical background.

I did catch that mistake shortly after my posting. What's that thing half way down the back of her neck? Another point on the crown ??!? Yikes! <Quick Edit>

Still there is a difference in perspective. The four points of the VMs illustration cover 180 degrees of circumference, front to back, while the four or five points of the left hand photo are all across the front portion, roughly 120 degrees. So I still see the crowns as somewhat different in appearance.

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That thing on the back of your neck?
I think that's the veil that casts down from the head.

Whereby I should be careful which character represents which person.
For example, it is "Johanna von Pfirt", mother of "Rudolf IV".
Then "Katharina von Luxenburg" wife of "Rudolf IV".
Then "Elisabeth of Luxenburg" the sister of Katharina and wife of "Albrecht III" brother of "Rudolf IV".
Then there was another "Elisabeth of Luxenburg" about 50 years later. Wife of "Albrecht V".
And then there was a Margarethe. She only appears with a crown on a coin and as a statue in the burial chamber of St. Stephen's Cathedral. And as a wall painting without a crown at Runkelstein Castle.
As further examples of crowns in the VM, I have the brothers Albrecht and Friedrich with the other crowns. (I have shown examples of these)

It is important that the three crowns were worn by all these women. And at the same time they were patrons of the peasants of Tyrol. They took care of the concerns and interests of the peasants.

History:
After the handover in 1365 of the duchies of Tyrol, Gorizia and Carniola, by right of succession to Rudolf IV.
Introduction of Habsburg jurisdiction, thus also liberation of the peasants from serfdom and servitude.
I think these are the reasons why the three crowns appear in the VM.

It is also interesting that the royal representatives were present in the castle where Rene has his block. Hence the Habsburg coat of arms on the drawing.

I could go on writing for hours.......

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I am not otherwise familiar with the all the details of your investigation, but it seems to be to identify historical individuals based on the the appearance of their crowns, much like the identification of individuals through armorial and ecclesiastical heraldry. Those who are familiar with the hierarchy and the heraldry of crowns can tell one from another, and those of us who can't just see a crown as a generic crown. One cannot find the historical connections, if one does not know the history. And the dates you cite are in advance of the VMs C-14.

The VMs crown has been given a dose of red paint. If something red applies to the crowns in your investigation, that would add further support.

To the red colour. That is certainly an argument. I should examine more closely why it contains red. There is also the possibility that it is not a crown at all.

The chronology of the story of the crowns is important. It begins around 1365 and ends in 1440. It tells the story of all two or even three crowns.

That is the C14 dating. It only says when it was brought to parchment. If one were to assume that the person was already 30 years old, then the knowledge is also available before 1400, but up to about 1440 at the most.

The time and the environment and the education where the person grew up are also taken into account. Also takes into account several possible authors of the VM.
Different possibilities must be included.

The next step would be, what do the crowns have to do with the dovetails, and how does this reconcile with the 4 German sentences in the VM. And why the Romance spelling knows almost no double consonants right here. And would the Romansh spelling of 116 fit. Yes it does. All things fit together.

That is the small part of what the crowns tell us.

An eastern crown, pure and simple - with lots of red. House of Colonna

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In 1328, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. marched into Italy for his coronation as You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. As You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. was residing in Avignon and had publicly declared that he would not crown Louis, the King decided to be crowned by a member of the Roman aristocracy, who proposed Sciarra Colonna. In honor of this event, the Colonna family was granted the privilege of using the imperial pointed crown on top of their coat of arms.

And Pope Martin V
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A good eastern crown needs to have the pointed structure.

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Apologies again for posting to what seems to be the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..  I hadn't seen this one, where most of the discussion of this topic took place.

Can we summarize what has been uncovered so far?  Specifically, about the f72v1 12:00 crown.

It seems that whoever drew it definitely wanted to draw triangular teeth with serrated edges (not fleur-de-lys, not leaves, not smooth triangles), and at least one "handle" (arched band) across the top with a cross.  

Other visible or potentially omitted features of the drawing -- like two or more arched bands, a velvet core, a second ring of teeth, jewels etc. -- are debatable, thus let's leave them aside.  

Let's assume that the Crown Artist copied a crown that was familiar to him because it was that of the local monarch.  What does that tell us about the place and time when that happened?

I suppose we can exclude Italy, France, and Hungary because, I gather, their kings wore different crowns, without the key features above.  

Is it reasonable to infer that, if the crown was drawn in the 1400s or 1500s, the place is unlikely to have been outside Austria and Bohemia?

Whereas, if the crown was drawn in the 1600s to 1800s, it could have been anywhere in the Holy Roman Empire?

Is there a date when that style of crown was replaced by a significantly different one, without the key features above?

All the best, --stolfi

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the illustration provides certain evidence, and that evidence seems somewhat limited. Two elements are fairly clear: the pointed, triangular palisades of the Eastern crown that rise above the band, and the imperial arches and cross that sit on top. This is not the crown of some "local ruler". It is an imperial crown with apparent Austrian connections, worn by a woman.

The elements of the crown are sufficiently iconic that they serve as an attribute to prospectively identify the woman as an HRE empress - like the cosmic spindle identifies Lady Necessity. That doesn't mean such a crown actually existed any more than the cosmic spindle did.

(13-11-2025, 08:09 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This is not the crown of some "local ruler".

Sorry, by "local ruler" I meant "the supreme ruler of the place where the Crown Artist lived at the time".  Emperor, King, whatever.