The Voynich Ninja

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I'm adding a link here to Elmar Vogt's recent blogpost about this folio:
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I occasionally stumbled upon chapter X of the second book of "De Occulta Philosophia" by Agrippa, and it says (in English translation):

Quote:"The Moon is the seventh of the planets and next to us..."

Then it occurred to me that this curve connecting the set of seven stars and the Moon may be just an indication of that Moon is one the seven "planets" (the stars designating "planets", as suggested above, and not Pleiades), and nothing more. Just a pointer to the place of the Moon in the set of "planets".

Note that Agrippa does not say simply that the Moon is one of the seven planets. He says specifically that it is the seventh one. Depending on the angle at which the reader looks at the depicted set, the star in question is the 1st, 3rd, 5th or 7th (if counted left to right, top to bottom).

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I think the reason that Jupiter is denoted by a sphere covered with stars is probably a bit simpler. Jupiter was ruler of the heavens. 

The number seven for those stars painted on the little emblem could be incidental - just the number the painter could fit into the space - or it may have been intended as allusion to the 'seven heavens' or more literally one of the Ursae.  I wouldn't care to guess which. You'd have to be a time-travelling psychic to be sure on the point.

We consider it automatic to see Polaris as the Pole star, and Ursa minor as its constellation, but medieval Latins' worship of the classical texts means that  they refer as often to Ursa Major's seven as to as Ursa minor's.
Dante had to account for both usages, as well as for magnetic north and cleverly left Beatrice in astronomical north, while having the divine throne at putting the divine throne as the magnetic north of the soul. 
 
The Pleiades was another 'seven-stars'  - as was rightly noted above.

(02-11-2016, 03:18 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi VViews, a while ago, this subject was discussed on the site of Stephen Bax:
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In the context of the Persian / Zoroastrian astrological cosmogony, the curve could correspond to the eclipse dragon Gochihr (sometimes also identified with the milky way). The connection with the moon is obvious, since the moon plays such a fundamental role in eclipses.

There are other aspects of this Persian myth that could be relevant for f68r3:

• The Zoroastrian thought of the heavens as divided in four quarters, each of them with its own leader : Tishtrya (Sirius) is the General of the East Sadws (Antares) is the General of the South, Wanand (Vega) is the General of the West, Haftoreng (Great Bear) is the General of the North.
  
• The leader of the North is a group of seven stars. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. means "having seven signs" or "the seven bears".
  

Over the last weeks I have tried to transcribe the star charts on 68 r1 and 68 r3.

I don´t know, if all 41 names, which I found, are correct, but some of them seems to be definitely right, because of their current names and their positions which are the nearly the same like in the VMS. 

I have posted my results in an open Facebook group about these research and I will also post them here, when I have enough time to explain them precisely. 

As far as I can say, the line on page 68 r3 is the dragon of the eclipse. I read this word as "al- washires". It sounds Arabic, but we don´t know. This diagram is definitely from the time frame the VMS radiocarbondating suggested. To be more precise from April 15th, 1409.

But what seems to be even more interesting in context of Zoroastrism are the flame and the bird on the left side on page 1v. The words right next to the symbols I read as "a(n)tâch" or "âtâ(s)ch" and as "atâr", which directly fit the Persian word for fire and the name of one important god of fire in the Zoroastrism! Also the symbols seems to be quite well known from Zoroastrism. 

And also there are the three female "spirits" of Zoroastrism, which are related to birth, women, plants and water. There are also three male "spirits" which are connected for example with metals, which would may fit the six chapters of the Voynich Manuscript. 

If this is correct, we must think of Middle Persian or Parsic as possible languages, but also of Luri and (Old) Romani. Especially the last one seems to be quite possible, because some Roma people (for example the Kalderash) even today have deep faith in water and fire rituals. Furthermore I´ve found some loan words in the Voynichese with seem to come from European languages and the phonetic system I use for my transcriptions is quite similar to Erromintxela. And:

Both, the Romani and the Parsic people did live in Khorasan at the same time for some hundred years.

But there are two main problems:

How can such an old religion survive over 800 years in such a small group of wandering people which split into several groups?

And, how the "Taurus" cult from the Voynich people is related to this theory of a Zoroastrian origin?

Do you have any ideas?