<![CDATA[The Voynich Ninja - Imagery]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/ Tue, 16 Jun 2026 08:23:48 +0000 MyBB <![CDATA[Was the VMS artist a fan of Michael Scot?]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5812.html Fri, 12 Jun 2026 06:28:27 +0000 JustAnotherTheory]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5812.html  In the past weeks I've been busy researching a quite peculiar (possible) connection to the VMS. It all started when I saw an extract from a manuscript from the 13th Century Scottish mathematician and writer Michael Scot (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). 

It appears that Michael Scot's work was widely appreciated in the late 14th, early 15th Century South Germany, where it was copied a lot. His contributions mainly concern mathematics, astronomy, astrology and his travels to Arabic-speaking countries. Today, we can find a lot of his work in the form of 14th-15th Century copies from South Germany, Austria and Switzerland. 

After having looked through a lot (a lot) of such copies, I found many parts of Michael Scot's imagery that closely resemble that of the VMS. I show some of these resemblances below.

Let's begin with crayfish, because it's one of the more unusual features of the VMS, because its legs are on its tail (incorrectly):


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Next, we have depictions of women next to stars:


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Many pipes that resemble those in the Rosettes section, are organs:


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There are depictions of cylinders containing people or things:


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Some animal faces look very similar to those in the VMS:


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People crossing hands:


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And some other unusual features:


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But the most unusual, actual artist style can be seem in this manuscript from the Admont Abbey Library:


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It seems to me, that whoever the VMS artist was, he/she might have been a fan of Michael Scot's work. Perhaps he/she was surrounded by many copies of his works? Maybe he/she was based in a library or abbey where many of his works were preserved and copied?

What do you think?]]>  In the past weeks I've been busy researching a quite peculiar (possible) connection to the VMS. It all started when I saw an extract from a manuscript from the 13th Century Scottish mathematician and writer Michael Scot (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). 

It appears that Michael Scot's work was widely appreciated in the late 14th, early 15th Century South Germany, where it was copied a lot. His contributions mainly concern mathematics, astronomy, astrology and his travels to Arabic-speaking countries. Today, we can find a lot of his work in the form of 14th-15th Century copies from South Germany, Austria and Switzerland. 

After having looked through a lot (a lot) of such copies, I found many parts of Michael Scot's imagery that closely resemble that of the VMS. I show some of these resemblances below.

Let's begin with crayfish, because it's one of the more unusual features of the VMS, because its legs are on its tail (incorrectly):


.png   02.png (Size: 115.87 KB / Downloads: 151)

Next, we have depictions of women next to stars:


.png   05.png (Size: 439.95 KB / Downloads: 150)

Many pipes that resemble those in the Rosettes section, are organs:


.png   04.png (Size: 700.54 KB / Downloads: 150)

There are depictions of cylinders containing people or things:


.png   03.png (Size: 153.26 KB / Downloads: 150)

Some animal faces look very similar to those in the VMS:


.png   06.png (Size: 507.18 KB / Downloads: 150)

People crossing hands:


.png   07.png (Size: 354.64 KB / Downloads: 151)

And some other unusual features:


.png   08.png (Size: 432.88 KB / Downloads: 149)

But the most unusual, actual artist style can be seem in this manuscript from the Admont Abbey Library:


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It seems to me, that whoever the VMS artist was, he/she might have been a fan of Michael Scot's work. Perhaps he/she was surrounded by many copies of his works? Maybe he/she was based in a library or abbey where many of his works were preserved and copied?

What do you think?]]> <![CDATA[Colorization - what was it's purpose?]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5789.html Sun, 31 May 2026 18:20:17 +0000 Dunsel]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5789.html
But, here's my observation/question.

I got GPT to help with this bit.  I took a page from the Voynich herbal section and a page from a 15th century herbal book, Erbario and asked it to remove the color from both images.

Now, I'll ask you to look at these two closely at how much information about the plant these images provide.  If this were a "field guide" herbal, could you identify the plant from these line drawings?


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Next, click on the spoiler link below and ask yourself, how much additional information regarding identification was provided by adding color?  

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My interpretation, and I can visually apply this to other Voynich illustrations: Adding color didn't provide me with a lot more information.  Unlike Erbario where the colors would aid in identification, I think adding color to the Voynich plant may have made it more difficult to identify.

I know, this is nothing new. Just my musings.]]>
But, here's my observation/question.

I got GPT to help with this bit.  I took a page from the Voynich herbal section and a page from a 15th century herbal book, Erbario and asked it to remove the color from both images.

Now, I'll ask you to look at these two closely at how much information about the plant these images provide.  If this were a "field guide" herbal, could you identify the plant from these line drawings?


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Next, click on the spoiler link below and ask yourself, how much additional information regarding identification was provided by adding color?  

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My interpretation, and I can visually apply this to other Voynich illustrations: Adding color didn't provide me with a lot more information.  Unlike Erbario where the colors would aid in identification, I think adding color to the Voynich plant may have made it more difficult to identify.

I know, this is nothing new. Just my musings.]]> <![CDATA[Rosettes castle and Rocca Calascio]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5777.html Mon, 25 May 2026 20:23:10 +0000 Rafal]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5777.html You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

I haven't seen this name being mentioned on these forums.

For me it is somehow similar to the well known Rosettes castle  ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. )
Of course it was more complete in the early 1400s  Wink
It is also located on some mountain ridge and Rosettes page may be interpreted as having some fortified ridges as well.

How do you think, similar or not? 

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I haven't seen this name being mentioned on these forums.

For me it is somehow similar to the well known Rosettes castle  ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. )
Of course it was more complete in the early 1400s  Wink
It is also located on some mountain ridge and Rosettes page may be interpreted as having some fortified ridges as well.

How do you think, similar or not? 

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So not to waste anyone's time, I ran web, AI and searches of this blog.   Started the Voynich journey 4 weeks ago from an engineering perspective.  

On page 85v, the large foldout, in the fold of row 2, end of column 1,  there is a possible small doodle of what appears to be a non-medieval girl. It's in the "flow stream" to the central drawing.

I attached a small screenshot.  You will see a partial line, blue ring and circle that I drew in measuring the adjacent wheel.  Which is how I discovered the little doodle.  

Best Regards,

Enthusiast(a I I 8)


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So not to waste anyone's time, I ran web, AI and searches of this blog.   Started the Voynich journey 4 weeks ago from an engineering perspective.  

On page 85v, the large foldout, in the fold of row 2, end of column 1,  there is a possible small doodle of what appears to be a non-medieval girl. It's in the "flow stream" to the central drawing.

I attached a small screenshot.  You will see a partial line, blue ring and circle that I drew in measuring the adjacent wheel.  Which is how I discovered the little doodle.  

Best Regards,

Enthusiast(a I I 8)


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The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is post-VMS-- an Italian Alchemical herbal dating to the 1500s (quite late!). It's briefly discussed in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., but as he notes, it generally seems to be poorly-documented. While the manuscript doesn't label the herbs like other alchemical herbals do, it seems like there are a handful of matches for VMS plants.In particular, I was very struck by how much You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in this MS matches You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in the VMS:


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I haven't been able to find any other roots in other manuscripts with a similar "ankh" shape, so I was pretty excited to see this one. This also suggests to me that the root shape probably isn't serving a symbolic function that is isolated to the VMS, if it's duplicated elsewhere in other herbals. I'm not good enough at Italian to confidently transcribe this or attempt an ID- does anyone have thoughts as to what plant this might be?

Additionally- I did notice some other correspondences, in particular You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in this herbal and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in the VMS, which both feature a plant with two heads in its roots (here called "herba illibotus"). However, the leaves don't quite line up.

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The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is post-VMS-- an Italian Alchemical herbal dating to the 1500s (quite late!). It's briefly discussed in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., but as he notes, it generally seems to be poorly-documented. While the manuscript doesn't label the herbs like other alchemical herbals do, it seems like there are a handful of matches for VMS plants.In particular, I was very struck by how much You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in this MS matches You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in the VMS:


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I haven't been able to find any other roots in other manuscripts with a similar "ankh" shape, so I was pretty excited to see this one. This also suggests to me that the root shape probably isn't serving a symbolic function that is isolated to the VMS, if it's duplicated elsewhere in other herbals. I'm not good enough at Italian to confidently transcribe this or attempt an ID- does anyone have thoughts as to what plant this might be?

Additionally- I did notice some other correspondences, in particular You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in this herbal and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in the VMS, which both feature a plant with two heads in its roots (here called "herba illibotus"). However, the leaves don't quite line up.

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There are also columns/pillars designs like Mariani and Taccola (from the other thread), that look like containers in Voynich manuscipt.

EDIT: I found full scan of book, here:

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Maybe you can look if there are more similarities with Voynich manuscript?]]>

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There are also columns/pillars designs like Mariani and Taccola (from the other thread), that look like containers in Voynich manuscipt.

EDIT: I found full scan of book, here:

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Maybe you can look if there are more similarities with Voynich manuscript?]]> <![CDATA[F90v1 - houndstongue?]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5721.html Sun, 10 May 2026 11:26:01 +0000 Rafal]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5721.html

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The source: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

The plant is known as Houndstongue (Cynoglossum officinale in Latin, Hundszunge in modern German)

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Wikipedia says: The plant owes its common and scientific name to the long greyish leaves that are reminiscent of a dog's tongue and were once given as a remedy for dog bites

A root stylized as some dog would make perfect sense here.

I just thought I'll share this observation. Maybe someone will be able to make more of it  Wink]]>

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The plant is known as Houndstongue (Cynoglossum officinale in Latin, Hundszunge in modern German)

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Wikipedia says: The plant owes its common and scientific name to the long greyish leaves that are reminiscent of a dog's tongue and were once given as a remedy for dog bites

A root stylized as some dog would make perfect sense here.

I just thought I'll share this observation. Maybe someone will be able to make more of it  Wink]]> <![CDATA[[split] full head in star-shaped rays]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5707.html Sun, 03 May 2026 12:00:44 +0000 Bernd]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5707.html You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.


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The sun resembles Taccola's 'cannon-star', and VM f70r2
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Now the big question is - was this star-sun design influenced by Taccola, or are both based on an older common ancestor?
Curiously, both this copy of Dati's La Sfera and Taccola's Palatino 766 came to BNCF from the 17th century Strozzi collection.
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The sun resembles Taccola's 'cannon-star', and VM f70r2
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Now the big question is - was this star-sun design influenced by Taccola, or are both based on an older common ancestor?
Curiously, both this copy of Dati's La Sfera and Taccola's Palatino 766 came to BNCF from the 17th century Strozzi collection.
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.?]]> <![CDATA[Top-down views of architecture in medieval manuscripts]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5705.html Sun, 03 May 2026 10:57:05 +0000 JustAnotherTheory]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5705.html Florence. Biblioteca Medicea Laurenziana, Amiat.1 (viewable You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.), that has an intersting folio. It is 2v-3r, and it looks like this:


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Visually, this has nothing to do with the VMS, but I found the concept interesting. It is a top-down view of a palace/bathhouse (can someone confirm this?). If we assume that some circular illustrations in the VMS depict also top-down views of places, such as a bathhouse ("hammams" were already proposed many times for explaining the Rosettes section, for instance), then maybe this is a unique parallel to that kind of imagery. 

Recall the "top-down" illustrations from the VMS, such as this one:


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And now examine the features of the first picture. All around the edges, we see columns:


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And inside, some kind of altar or table with jars on it:


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If the VMS author(s) indeed intended to replicate some sort of top-down architecture, then this might somehow provide a clue to it. Can someone more knowledgabe help to translate what this is in the original MS? What are thery trying to depict here?]]> Florence. Biblioteca Medicea Laurenziana, Amiat.1 (viewable You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.), that has an intersting folio. It is 2v-3r, and it looks like this:


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Visually, this has nothing to do with the VMS, but I found the concept interesting. It is a top-down view of a palace/bathhouse (can someone confirm this?). If we assume that some circular illustrations in the VMS depict also top-down views of places, such as a bathhouse ("hammams" were already proposed many times for explaining the Rosettes section, for instance), then maybe this is a unique parallel to that kind of imagery. 

Recall the "top-down" illustrations from the VMS, such as this one:


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And now examine the features of the first picture. All around the edges, we see columns:


.png   0444.png (Size: 267.8 KB / Downloads: 139)

And inside, some kind of altar or table with jars on it:


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If the VMS author(s) indeed intended to replicate some sort of top-down architecture, then this might somehow provide a clue to it. Can someone more knowledgabe help to translate what this is in the original MS? What are thery trying to depict here?]]> <![CDATA[La Sfera by Gregorio Dati]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5609.html Tue, 14 Apr 2026 18:45:11 +0000 JustAnotherTheory]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5609.html La Sfera by Gregorio Dati is an early 15th century North Italian illustrated cosmographical poem. Dati lived an unusual life and I highly recommend that you read about it here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Some highlights are his 26 children, 4 wives, twice escaping the bubonic plague, and many voyages.

Anyway, La Sfera was very popular in the 1400s and was copied many times. In fact, it became so popular at some point that it rivalled the famous Bellifortis. But then, when Gregorio Dati died, the interest in La Sfera instantly diminished, and in fact all but disappeared.

The reason I'm posting this here is because (in my opinion) the imagery in La Sfera seems similar to that of the VMS. Let me begin by a direct parallel to the VMS f68 foldouts:


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Here are some relevant illustrations in La Sfera.


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In fact, there are so many such star maps with the sun above and the moon below, I don't have enough space to show them all here. There is a collaborative online project called "La Sfera Project" that aims to gather information about all the copies of La Sfera (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). I also encourage you to take a look.

The VMS also contains a disk with a T-O globe in the middle. This is also a feature of La Sfera:


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Again, I'm just scratching the surface, as there are dozens of such diagrams. 

Perhaps a more impressive parallel to the VMS are the vast networks of canals and lakes, some of which also seem to be coloured in the same manner as the VMS. It almost looks like the VMS, without the nymphs in the water:


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There are, here again, hundreds of such drawings.

Here's another parallel to the VMS:


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Many, many other beautiful illustrations (that I picked randomly from a pool of 30 copies of La Sfera) also remind one of the VMS:


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And we also have the swallowtail merlons in at least one copy:


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Links to all manuscripts here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.]]> La Sfera by Gregorio Dati is an early 15th century North Italian illustrated cosmographical poem. Dati lived an unusual life and I highly recommend that you read about it here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. Some highlights are his 26 children, 4 wives, twice escaping the bubonic plague, and many voyages.

Anyway, La Sfera was very popular in the 1400s and was copied many times. In fact, it became so popular at some point that it rivalled the famous Bellifortis. But then, when Gregorio Dati died, the interest in La Sfera instantly diminished, and in fact all but disappeared.

The reason I'm posting this here is because (in my opinion) the imagery in La Sfera seems similar to that of the VMS. Let me begin by a direct parallel to the VMS f68 foldouts:


.png   01.png (Size: 169.07 KB / Downloads: 316)

Here are some relevant illustrations in La Sfera.


.png   02.png (Size: 541.17 KB / Downloads: 317)

In fact, there are so many such star maps with the sun above and the moon below, I don't have enough space to show them all here. There is a collaborative online project called "La Sfera Project" that aims to gather information about all the copies of La Sfera (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.). I also encourage you to take a look.

The VMS also contains a disk with a T-O globe in the middle. This is also a feature of La Sfera:


.png   03.png (Size: 425.72 KB / Downloads: 315)

Again, I'm just scratching the surface, as there are dozens of such diagrams. 

Perhaps a more impressive parallel to the VMS are the vast networks of canals and lakes, some of which also seem to be coloured in the same manner as the VMS. It almost looks like the VMS, without the nymphs in the water:


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There are, here again, hundreds of such drawings.

Here's another parallel to the VMS:


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Many, many other beautiful illustrations (that I picked randomly from a pool of 30 copies of La Sfera) also remind one of the VMS:


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And we also have the swallowtail merlons in at least one copy:


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Links to all manuscripts here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.]]> <![CDATA[Number(?) in f36r]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5589.html Mon, 13 Apr 2026 12:28:39 +0000 Rafal]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5589.html

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Would you agree that in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. there is "12" written in the roots in quite modern way?

Was it discussed before?]]>

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Would you agree that in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. there is "12" written in the roots in quite modern way?

Was it discussed before?]]> <![CDATA["Inserted daisies” on folio 40 line up? A coincidence?]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5552.html Thu, 09 Apr 2026 13:24:27 +0000 pseudio]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5552.html Manuscript Studies I found myself enjoying browsing the VM on Jason Davies’ Voynich Voyager tool. I was looking at the bifolios Lisa identifies as Scribe 2 that seem to have been shuffled into the outer layers of Quire 5, namely folio 33/folio 40 and folio 34/folio 39. 

I was having a grand old time when something about the B style daisies on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. caught my eye. Their positions seemed to line up through the page.

I wasn't sure but I was curious so I attempted to use my very imited graphic design skills and programs (i.e. microsoft paint and microsoft paint 3d) to see whether the daises were actually in the same spot. I took some screen shots of the areas of interrest on Voynich Voyager. I reversed the image of f40r, aligned it as best I could with You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. using the faint paint bleed-through visible on f40r, and then faded one image over the other. I have recorded that process to share what appeared here:



To me, it does look like the “inserted daisies” were placed in the sam position on both sides of the folio. At the same time, the daisies themselves do not align in a way that suggests one was simply traced from the other.

This may just be coincidence, of course. 

But I am not entirely sure that it is. Koen G has pointed out elsewhere that You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. :

(27-06-2024, 06:52 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... are the two VM plants that have a "daisy" imposed on another flower. ...

So if these two daisies are actually aligned with each other on opposite sides of the same folio, that seems potetially interesting to me. Is the artist responsible for these two plants using a deliberate visual cue to signal some kind of relationship between these two plants?

I thought there was something very interesting You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. where Koen G posted an image of plant that he had found in Dioscorides manuscript Chig.F.VII.15 with a similar weird "rayed" daisy on an oddly structured plant. User Juan_Sali replied:

(26-06-2024, 11:22 PM)Juan_Sali Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Koen G. You compared the plant with the VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. but I think that it is closer to the VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , both plants are in the same folio, maybe it is not casual

Could it be that the two plants are meant to be related botanically, perhaps two members of the same plant family, marked by the shared daisy insertion as a visual cue? 

Another possibility that occurred to me. Could they represent two stages in the life of the same plant? It is more far-fetched, given how different the two drawings are. But could the large bulb below the flower on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. be something that develops into the triangular form beneath the flower on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. as the rosette of petals emerges? The double stem on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. versus single stem on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. makes this less likely, of course, but the leaves on both plants do share some similarities.

Could this be a visual cue signalling a more symbolic or religious relationship between these two plants? That certainly seems plausible, though I don't know where I would even start to try and figure out what on earth it could mean!

Of course David Jackson’s suggestion in part 2 of episode 1 of Voynich Talk may be right: perhaps the B style artist is just a bit sloppy and isn't really interested in what the centres of flowers really looks like and just thinks they all look more or less like daisies. It could just be that the way these two line up with each other is an accident or coincidence.

I'd love to hear what other people think.]]> Manuscript Studies I found myself enjoying browsing the VM on Jason Davies’ Voynich Voyager tool. I was looking at the bifolios Lisa identifies as Scribe 2 that seem to have been shuffled into the outer layers of Quire 5, namely folio 33/folio 40 and folio 34/folio 39. 

I was having a grand old time when something about the B style daisies on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. caught my eye. Their positions seemed to line up through the page.

I wasn't sure but I was curious so I attempted to use my very imited graphic design skills and programs (i.e. microsoft paint and microsoft paint 3d) to see whether the daises were actually in the same spot. I took some screen shots of the areas of interrest on Voynich Voyager. I reversed the image of f40r, aligned it as best I could with You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. using the faint paint bleed-through visible on f40r, and then faded one image over the other. I have recorded that process to share what appeared here:



To me, it does look like the “inserted daisies” were placed in the sam position on both sides of the folio. At the same time, the daisies themselves do not align in a way that suggests one was simply traced from the other.

This may just be coincidence, of course. 

But I am not entirely sure that it is. Koen G has pointed out elsewhere that You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. :

(27-06-2024, 06:52 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.... are the two VM plants that have a "daisy" imposed on another flower. ...

So if these two daisies are actually aligned with each other on opposite sides of the same folio, that seems potetially interesting to me. Is the artist responsible for these two plants using a deliberate visual cue to signal some kind of relationship between these two plants?

I thought there was something very interesting You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. where Koen G posted an image of plant that he had found in Dioscorides manuscript Chig.F.VII.15 with a similar weird "rayed" daisy on an oddly structured plant. User Juan_Sali replied:

(26-06-2024, 11:22 PM)Juan_Sali Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Koen G. You compared the plant with the VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. but I think that it is closer to the VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , both plants are in the same folio, maybe it is not casual

Could it be that the two plants are meant to be related botanically, perhaps two members of the same plant family, marked by the shared daisy insertion as a visual cue? 

Another possibility that occurred to me. Could they represent two stages in the life of the same plant? It is more far-fetched, given how different the two drawings are. But could the large bulb below the flower on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. be something that develops into the triangular form beneath the flower on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. as the rosette of petals emerges? The double stem on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. versus single stem on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. makes this less likely, of course, but the leaves on both plants do share some similarities.

Could this be a visual cue signalling a more symbolic or religious relationship between these two plants? That certainly seems plausible, though I don't know where I would even start to try and figure out what on earth it could mean!

Of course David Jackson’s suggestion in part 2 of episode 1 of Voynich Talk may be right: perhaps the B style artist is just a bit sloppy and isn't really interested in what the centres of flowers really looks like and just thinks they all look more or less like daisies. It could just be that the way these two line up with each other is an accident or coincidence.

I'd love to hear what other people think.]]> <![CDATA[Creature(?) in Rosettes page]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5517.html Tue, 07 Apr 2026 12:03:18 +0000 Rafal]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5517.html
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It is in the top right circle, close to the castle.

It is absent for example here, in the discussion of Voynich animals:
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I think the main dilemma here is if it is some creature at all or not. I included a poll for that.
But hey, it has head, eye, four legs and a tail.

How do you think, what could it be?

For me it looks very alienish. Of course some alien straight from sci-fi movie would be a bit anachronistic, although not as much as you could think.
But I asked AI to reimagine this picture as alien creature and that's what I got:

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It is in the top right circle, close to the castle.

It is absent for example here, in the discussion of Voynich animals:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

I think the main dilemma here is if it is some creature at all or not. I included a poll for that.
But hey, it has head, eye, four legs and a tail.

How do you think, what could it be?

For me it looks very alienish. Of course some alien straight from sci-fi movie would be a bit anachronistic, although not as much as you could think.
But I asked AI to reimagine this picture as alien creature and that's what I got:

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The stars are placed into a circle. I believe that such thing - some art in manuscript put into a circle is often called "medallion".

The stars have labels. It would seem very natural that they are names of the stars but unfortunately nobody was able to read any of them, just like the rest of Voynich Manuscript.

Of course, it would be great to find the inspiration for this picture in another source, with stars signed in normal alphabet. Then we could match the Voynichese labels and the other labels.

As far as I know such inspiration is unknown. I have seen several similar pictures but in all of them the stars were without labels.
Have a look:

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All these examples are actually not astronomical but religious and are sacral art about the creation of the world. The stars in them are generic and don't represent real, distinct stars having names.

Woukd you say that these kinds of pictures are inspiration for f68r1 and f68r2 or not?

If they are inspiration then it would mean the Voynich artist added labels to generic, nameless stars in his source. Would you agree?

In such case what would such labels mean? Some star names assigned randomly?
Or could he have another inspiration, different from these religious pictures?
Are there any "maps of the sky" in medieval manuscripts with sky presented in similar "medalion" way but with proper stars, signed and properly positioned?]]>
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The stars are placed into a circle. I believe that such thing - some art in manuscript put into a circle is often called "medallion".

The stars have labels. It would seem very natural that they are names of the stars but unfortunately nobody was able to read any of them, just like the rest of Voynich Manuscript.

Of course, it would be great to find the inspiration for this picture in another source, with stars signed in normal alphabet. Then we could match the Voynichese labels and the other labels.

As far as I know such inspiration is unknown. I have seen several similar pictures but in all of them the stars were without labels.
Have a look:

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.jpg   PamplonaBibel_Augsburg.jpg (Size: 73.07 KB / Downloads: 223)

.jpg   TractatusDeCreatione.jpg (Size: 84.69 KB / Downloads: 223)

All these examples are actually not astronomical but religious and are sacral art about the creation of the world. The stars in them are generic and don't represent real, distinct stars having names.

Woukd you say that these kinds of pictures are inspiration for f68r1 and f68r2 or not?

If they are inspiration then it would mean the Voynich artist added labels to generic, nameless stars in his source. Would you agree?

In such case what would such labels mean? Some star names assigned randomly?
Or could he have another inspiration, different from these religious pictures?
Are there any "maps of the sky" in medieval manuscripts with sky presented in similar "medalion" way but with proper stars, signed and properly positioned?]]> <![CDATA[A funny coincidence with the root of f2r]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5498.html Wed, 01 Apr 2026 08:25:37 +0000 JustAnotherTheory]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5498.html

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The MS on the right is the Kitāb Arshimīdas fī al-binkāmāt (British Library, Add MS 23391). It's a 13th century Arabic treatise on hydraulic machinery. I thought some of the machines looked a bit like VMS plant roots.

EDIT: I rotated the Arabic picture upside-down so that it matches the orientation of the VMS root.]]>

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The MS on the right is the Kitāb Arshimīdas fī al-binkāmāt (British Library, Add MS 23391). It's a 13th century Arabic treatise on hydraulic machinery. I thought some of the machines looked a bit like VMS plant roots.

EDIT: I rotated the Arabic picture upside-down so that it matches the orientation of the VMS root.]]>