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I'm Matheus, a Voynich enthusiast. I am not an expert nor a researcher. Therefore, I don't know if this is a well-known fact, if someone has already made this hipothesis, or if I'm the first. I didn't find anyone talking about the same thing, so I decided to post it here for more experienced people to analyse.

I was looking at some old posts in Stephen Bax's blog and found one that really caught my attention, about the eclipse in folio 68r. Andrés Eloy Martínez Rojas argued at that time that it might relate to an eclipse in april 15, 1409.

While looking at the folio, it's pretty noticeable that there's a line drawn from the sun to a group of seven stars. Andrés argues that it's the Pleiades, but this just didn't make sense to me: why would the Pleiades have a line like this?


  reuuLhN.png (Size: 340.48 KB / Downloads: 329)

This made me start a search for more reasonable guesses. After some days, I was able to identify something that caught my eye:


  hczETGX.png (Size: 498.13 KB / Downloads: 327)

This is a possible view of an eclipse that happened on march 26, 1419. Notice that the Pisces constellation is oriented in a way that (in my view) matches exactly the drawing, even the curve drawn in the manuscript is extremely similar to the "tail" of the Pisces. Also notice that the manuscript has seven stars drawn, and that the Pisces "head" also has seven stars.

"But Matheus, where was the eclipse visible from? If it were only from the Americas, for example, this is useless!"

Yes, and that's the most interesting part (in my opinion): the eclipse could be seen from pretty much anywhere in not only Europe, but many parts of Africa and Asia too at that time:


  L5E0ovU.png (Size: 83.13 KB / Downloads: 322)

If we were to get a glimpse of what the sky looked like specifically on northern Italy (given the handwriting, castle, etc.), it would be something like this:


  bZCnUDu.png (Size: 652.52 KB / Downloads: 330)

If we disable the atmosphere features:


  rdJdJYG.png (Size: 519.58 KB / Downloads: 330)

And if the orient the Pisces constellation to the manuscript's orientation (almost a 180º turn):


  DEV2txk.png (Size: 1.29 MB / Downloads: 324)

From this, we could draw some questions and hypothesis:

1. Which star is the one next to the (suposedly) Pisces constellation in the manuscript? My guess: it could be Uranus, Diphda or Fomalhaut. It matches the orientation.
2. Which stars are the two at the top right? My guess: Venus and Jupiter OR Mars and Aldebaran. They also match the orientation.
3. Which stars are the three at the bottom right? My guess: Schedar, Caph and Navi OR the three from the Camelopardalis constellation. Best fitting, the orientation is a bit messed up.
4. Which stars are the four at the bottom left? My guess: Algenib, Alpheratz, Markab and Scheat? These were the most fitting ones I was able to find.
5. Why would someone be drawing the eclipse? My guess: some kind of divination or mere description of the occured. If we take a look at the other parts of the folio:


  sIdTkf0.jpeg (Size: 168.36 KB / Downloads: 326)

It looks like (at least to me) that there's a pretty solid order: we see the sun and the moon (is it the sun and the moon?) approaching and kinda switching phases, and this could be the author(s) saying something like "This happened, and right after we got an eclipse!" or something similar.

Something though caught my eye: there's a star that almost repeats it's name in the full folio:


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f68r3: "dcholday"


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f68r2: "dcheoldy"

Could they be the same star in different "states"? I don't know, but the word is almost the same. One could argue that the (possible) "root" is different (ol for one, eol for the other) but I don't know, maybe the root is just "old" or "ol" and "dch" and "dche" mean some kind of "state" of the star? Just speculation. If we get the sky everyday before the eclipse:

(My Stellarium is in Portuguese, so be aware that "sol" = sun and "lua" = moon)


  pqOzcKY.png (Size: 326.01 KB / Downloads: 322)
March 25


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March 24


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March 23


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March 22


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March 21


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March 20


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March 19

Considering the position, the similarity of the words and my hypothesis on which "star" that one next to the (alleged) Pisces represents, I think that dcholday/dcheoldy is in some form a label for "Uranus" or different states of the planet.

Another thing I wanted to point out is the progression in the manuscript moon phases:


  2XsNww4.png (Size: 795.88 KB / Downloads: 328)

One thing I noticed is that the moon goes new (at least it's what it appears to me). Indeed, in march 26 1419, the moon went new:


  lxATDO5.png (Size: 5.92 KB / Downloads: 329)
According to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

So maybe what's written around the moon is something talking about this? Like "last quarter" and "new" for each one? I don't know, it's an hypothesis.

This is all, let me know what you think! I'm 100% NOT professional in this field, so I don't know if there are serious flaws here. Thank you!! ]]>
I'm Matheus, a Voynich enthusiast. I am not an expert nor a researcher. Therefore, I don't know if this is a well-known fact, if someone has already made this hipothesis, or if I'm the first. I didn't find anyone talking about the same thing, so I decided to post it here for more experienced people to analyse.

I was looking at some old posts in Stephen Bax's blog and found one that really caught my attention, about the eclipse in folio 68r. Andrés Eloy Martínez Rojas argued at that time that it might relate to an eclipse in april 15, 1409.

While looking at the folio, it's pretty noticeable that there's a line drawn from the sun to a group of seven stars. Andrés argues that it's the Pleiades, but this just didn't make sense to me: why would the Pleiades have a line like this?


  reuuLhN.png (Size: 340.48 KB / Downloads: 329)

This made me start a search for more reasonable guesses. After some days, I was able to identify something that caught my eye:


  hczETGX.png (Size: 498.13 KB / Downloads: 327)

This is a possible view of an eclipse that happened on march 26, 1419. Notice that the Pisces constellation is oriented in a way that (in my view) matches exactly the drawing, even the curve drawn in the manuscript is extremely similar to the "tail" of the Pisces. Also notice that the manuscript has seven stars drawn, and that the Pisces "head" also has seven stars.

"But Matheus, where was the eclipse visible from? If it were only from the Americas, for example, this is useless!"

Yes, and that's the most interesting part (in my opinion): the eclipse could be seen from pretty much anywhere in not only Europe, but many parts of Africa and Asia too at that time:


  L5E0ovU.png (Size: 83.13 KB / Downloads: 322)

If we were to get a glimpse of what the sky looked like specifically on northern Italy (given the handwriting, castle, etc.), it would be something like this:


  bZCnUDu.png (Size: 652.52 KB / Downloads: 330)

If we disable the atmosphere features:


  rdJdJYG.png (Size: 519.58 KB / Downloads: 330)

And if the orient the Pisces constellation to the manuscript's orientation (almost a 180º turn):


  DEV2txk.png (Size: 1.29 MB / Downloads: 324)

From this, we could draw some questions and hypothesis:

1. Which star is the one next to the (suposedly) Pisces constellation in the manuscript? My guess: it could be Uranus, Diphda or Fomalhaut. It matches the orientation.
2. Which stars are the two at the top right? My guess: Venus and Jupiter OR Mars and Aldebaran. They also match the orientation.
3. Which stars are the three at the bottom right? My guess: Schedar, Caph and Navi OR the three from the Camelopardalis constellation. Best fitting, the orientation is a bit messed up.
4. Which stars are the four at the bottom left? My guess: Algenib, Alpheratz, Markab and Scheat? These were the most fitting ones I was able to find.
5. Why would someone be drawing the eclipse? My guess: some kind of divination or mere description of the occured. If we take a look at the other parts of the folio:


  sIdTkf0.jpeg (Size: 168.36 KB / Downloads: 326)

It looks like (at least to me) that there's a pretty solid order: we see the sun and the moon (is it the sun and the moon?) approaching and kinda switching phases, and this could be the author(s) saying something like "This happened, and right after we got an eclipse!" or something similar.

Something though caught my eye: there's a star that almost repeats it's name in the full folio:


  DTZ96wE.png (Size: 450.93 KB / Downloads: 329)
f68r3: "dcholday"


  sfZ7urZ.png (Size: 287.3 KB / Downloads: 328)
f68r2: "dcheoldy"

Could they be the same star in different "states"? I don't know, but the word is almost the same. One could argue that the (possible) "root" is different (ol for one, eol for the other) but I don't know, maybe the root is just "old" or "ol" and "dch" and "dche" mean some kind of "state" of the star? Just speculation. If we get the sky everyday before the eclipse:

(My Stellarium is in Portuguese, so be aware that "sol" = sun and "lua" = moon)


  pqOzcKY.png (Size: 326.01 KB / Downloads: 322)
March 25


  uZqdewC.png (Size: 326.82 KB / Downloads: 322)
March 24


  XMusFU7.png (Size: 282.04 KB / Downloads: 328)
March 23


  jyyIkkI.png (Size: 596.92 KB / Downloads: 320)
March 22


  gbemlDq.png (Size: 636.72 KB / Downloads: 324)
March 21


  eJOlpr4.png (Size: 585.35 KB / Downloads: 338)
March 20


  gGsCobx.png (Size: 598.49 KB / Downloads: 329)
March 19

Considering the position, the similarity of the words and my hypothesis on which "star" that one next to the (alleged) Pisces represents, I think that dcholday/dcheoldy is in some form a label for "Uranus" or different states of the planet.

Another thing I wanted to point out is the progression in the manuscript moon phases:


  2XsNww4.png (Size: 795.88 KB / Downloads: 328)

One thing I noticed is that the moon goes new (at least it's what it appears to me). Indeed, in march 26 1419, the moon went new:


  lxATDO5.png (Size: 5.92 KB / Downloads: 329)
According to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..

So maybe what's written around the moon is something talking about this? Like "last quarter" and "new" for each one? I don't know, it's an hypothesis.

This is all, let me know what you think! I'm 100% NOT professional in this field, so I don't know if there are serious flaws here. Thank you!! ]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5855.html Sun, 28 Jun 2026 19:30:50 +0000 ololololo]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5855.html So far, I've found one interesting match on two diagrams with f68v.

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Let's go through the indirect indicators:
1). The colors are the same (only blue)
2). There is a small star in the center
3). The second diagram has one more line.
4). The left diagram has 8 "rays" (I'm referring to those blue areas), while the right diagram has 16.
5).There is no text above the right diagram. If this is a variant of the left diagram, then there is no need to describe it again.
In general, it seems that the right diagram is the left diagram "enlarged" by two times.
They have a few common words: oteey, chey, dal, and dal is in approximately the same position.
A less obvious example is f69r-f69v, but here there is a decrease.

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Both diagrams have a star in the center, but the number of rays is different (f69r - 46, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. - 31). 

What do you think?

But ]]> So far, I've found one interesting match on two diagrams with f68v.

  Снимок экрана 2026-06-28 220818.jpg (Size: 184.35 KB / Downloads: 324)
Let's go through the indirect indicators:
1). The colors are the same (only blue)
2). There is a small star in the center
3). The second diagram has one more line.
4). The left diagram has 8 "rays" (I'm referring to those blue areas), while the right diagram has 16.
5).There is no text above the right diagram. If this is a variant of the left diagram, then there is no need to describe it again.
In general, it seems that the right diagram is the left diagram "enlarged" by two times.
They have a few common words: oteey, chey, dal, and dal is in approximately the same position.
A less obvious example is f69r-f69v, but here there is a decrease.

  Снимок экрана 2026-06-28 222635.jpg (Size: 124.98 KB / Downloads: 322)

  Снимок экрана 2026-06-28 222700.jpg (Size: 86.59 KB / Downloads: 325)
Both diagrams have a star in the center, but the number of rays is different (f69r - 46, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. - 31). 

What do you think?

But ]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5744.html Thu, 14 May 2026 22:43:56 +0000 pieterneyer@yahoo.com]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5744.html Register or Login to view.

Technical Layout: The 9-Radial Rosettes Map
This map provides a stabilized structural analysis of the Voynich Manuscript's 6-page foldout (f85-f86). By treating the layout as a 9-radial system rather than a disorganised cluster, we can identify a deliberate navigational flow.

All credit to Kristine Preedy who worked on mapping the sites.If you struggle to get to link message me.

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Technical Layout: The 9-Radial Rosettes Map
This map provides a stabilized structural analysis of the Voynich Manuscript's 6-page foldout (f85-f86). By treating the layout as a 9-radial system rather than a disorganised cluster, we can identify a deliberate navigational flow.

All credit to Kristine Preedy who worked on mapping the sites.If you struggle to get to link message me.

  Map2.jpg (Size: 174.89 KB / Downloads: 879)

  Map1 (1).jpeg (Size: 1.23 MB / Downloads: 886) ]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5226.html Mon, 12 Jan 2026 06:39:51 +0000 AionVerity]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-5226.html What keeps catching my attention is how much of the structure can be read as temporal rather than symbolic. The way divisions repeat, how some sequences appear to stop or change rhythm, and how different folios seem to care about duration or flow more than labels. It feels less like decoding and more like watching how time might be handled or experienced across the pages.
I don’t know whether this overlaps with work that’s already been done, and I’m not presenting this as a theory. I’m sharing it simply as something I’ve been playing with visually and intuitively, in case it’s useful, familiar, or sparks a connection for someone else working in this area.
If this belongs somewhere else or connects to existing threads, I’m happy to be pointed in the right direction.

  20260111_223457-COLLAGE.jpg (Size: 1,011.02 KB / Downloads: 510) ]]> What keeps catching my attention is how much of the structure can be read as temporal rather than symbolic. The way divisions repeat, how some sequences appear to stop or change rhythm, and how different folios seem to care about duration or flow more than labels. It feels less like decoding and more like watching how time might be handled or experienced across the pages.
I don’t know whether this overlaps with work that’s already been done, and I’m not presenting this as a theory. I’m sharing it simply as something I’ve been playing with visually and intuitively, in case it’s useful, familiar, or sparks a connection for someone else working in this area.
If this belongs somewhere else or connects to existing threads, I’m happy to be pointed in the right direction.

  20260111_223457-COLLAGE.jpg (Size: 1,011.02 KB / Downloads: 510) ]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4868.html Mon, 11 Aug 2025 20:06:10 +0000 quimqu]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4868.html
I am not very aware of the astronomical and astrological part of the MS (I am mostly centered in the text analyse). But I found one Astrological rose, in catalan, dated from the XV century, that attracted my attention:
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There is not a lot of information about the manuscript, which is written in catalan. What interests me, are the writtings in the center of the rose: look how they repeat some characters. Names are also interesting, mixing catalan and latin. The text (paragraphs) of the other pages area also interesting.

Here the link: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

As I have not studied yet the astronomical/astrological part of the Voynich I would like to read your thoughts about it. As I live next to Barcelona, I could even go and check the whole manuscript, if they let me.

Looking forward to reading your thoughts.]]>
I am not very aware of the astronomical and astrological part of the MS (I am mostly centered in the text analyse). But I found one Astrological rose, in catalan, dated from the XV century, that attracted my attention:
[im


There is not a lot of information about the manuscript, which is written in catalan. What interests me, are the writtings in the center of the rose: look how they repeat some characters. Names are also interesting, mixing catalan and latin. The text (paragraphs) of the other pages area also interesting.

Here the link: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

As I have not studied yet the astronomical/astrological part of the Voynich I would like to read your thoughts about it. As I live next to Barcelona, I could even go and check the whole manuscript, if they let me.

Looking forward to reading your thoughts.]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4840.html Fri, 01 Aug 2025 23:58:44 +0000 Garlonga]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4840.html
I was wondering if Easter could be the reason why Aries and Taurus are divided in two each and figures seem to be getting dressed with a transition from more than half the figures lightly clothed in Aries 1 to all (but one?) fully clothed in Aries 2 to most figures covered in Taurus 1 to nudity again from Taurus 2 on (apart from 4 figures in Gemini because why not).

I didn't consider the month names added later, but while checking a few books of hours trying to find similitudes I've found some where Aries is Mars and Taurus Auril:
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Also I checked Easter dates for all of the 15th century (Julian Calendar) and the earliest was on the 22nd of March in 1478, and the latest on the 25th of April in 1451 (which it seems is the normal range) so this would only make sense ignoring the month names.



So far I failed with finding similitudes with a book of hours, the only familiar thing I could see was this one maybe making wine in Virgo.

  Maybe making wine.JPG (Size: 53.79 KB / Downloads: 875)

I'd appreciate opinions or links to earlier posts or related information.

Cheers]]>
I was wondering if Easter could be the reason why Aries and Taurus are divided in two each and figures seem to be getting dressed with a transition from more than half the figures lightly clothed in Aries 1 to all (but one?) fully clothed in Aries 2 to most figures covered in Taurus 1 to nudity again from Taurus 2 on (apart from 4 figures in Gemini because why not).

I didn't consider the month names added later, but while checking a few books of hours trying to find similitudes I've found some where Aries is Mars and Taurus Auril:
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

Also I checked Easter dates for all of the 15th century (Julian Calendar) and the earliest was on the 22nd of March in 1478, and the latest on the 25th of April in 1451 (which it seems is the normal range) so this would only make sense ignoring the month names.



So far I failed with finding similitudes with a book of hours, the only familiar thing I could see was this one maybe making wine in Virgo.

  Maybe making wine.JPG (Size: 53.79 KB / Downloads: 875)

I'd appreciate opinions or links to earlier posts or related information.

Cheers]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4837.html Thu, 31 Jul 2025 22:45:16 +0000 Bluetoes101]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4837.html It seemed to me once you think of the VM diagram from a "what's up?" perspective, it makes sense (given the below).
That is to say we are looking up at the sky at what we can see and can't see. It's about as simple as I've found a VM image to be, so undoubtedly it is incorrect. 
My understanding is that by 14XX this was still applicable knowledge to most who were not an astrologer.


"Isidore of Seville".
From - "The cosmos and its parts"
((c. 560–636) and translated).

"Portals"
The sky has two portals: the East and the West, for the sun
enters through one portal and withdraws through the
other.

"Unknown paths beyond east/west portals"
lii. The path of the sun (De itinere solis) The sun, when
it rises, holds a path through the south. Afterward, it
goes to the west and plunges itself into the Ocean, and it
travels unknown paths under the earth, and once again
runs back to the east

"Air and then Sky (above)"
Sometimes the word ‘sky’ is used for the air, where
winds and clouds and storms and whirlwinds arise.
Lucretius (cf. On the Nature of Things 4.133):
The sky (caelum), which is called air (aer).
And the Psalm (78:2; 103:12, Vulgate) refers to “fowls of
the sky (caelum),” when it is clear that birds fly in the air;
out of habit we also call this air, ‘sky.’ Thus when we ask
whether it is fair or overcast we sometimes say, “How is
the air?” and sometimes “How is the sky?”

"Sky is where the sun and moon are"
God embellished the heaven and
filled it with bright light – that is, he adorned it with the
sun and the gleaming orb of the moon, and the glorious
constellations of glittering stars. [In a different way, it
is named from engraving (caelare) the superior bodies.]
2. It is called
L in Greek, after the term QY
,
that is, ‘seeing,’ because the air is transparent and clearer
for seeing. In Sacred Scripture the sky is called the firmament (firmamentum), because it is secured (firmare) by
the course of the stars and by fixed and immutable laws.

"the stars are in the ether"
The ether
(aether) is the place where the stars are, and signifies
that fire which is separated high above from the entire
world. Of course, ether is itself an element, but aethra
(i.e. another word for ether) is the radiance of ether;
it is a Greek word. 2. The sphere (sphaera) of the sky
is so named because it has a round shape in appearance. But anything of such a shape is called a sphaera
by the Greeks from its roundness, such as the balls that
children play with.

*It's not entirely certain what the firmament means in this comment (to me), so I opted for "The ether" which seemed very clear, but I suspect they mean much in the same.

  f67v2.png (Size: 899.84 KB / Downloads: 995) ]]> It seemed to me once you think of the VM diagram from a "what's up?" perspective, it makes sense (given the below).
That is to say we are looking up at the sky at what we can see and can't see. It's about as simple as I've found a VM image to be, so undoubtedly it is incorrect. 
My understanding is that by 14XX this was still applicable knowledge to most who were not an astrologer.


"Isidore of Seville".
From - "The cosmos and its parts"
((c. 560–636) and translated).

"Portals"
The sky has two portals: the East and the West, for the sun
enters through one portal and withdraws through the
other.

"Unknown paths beyond east/west portals"
lii. The path of the sun (De itinere solis) The sun, when
it rises, holds a path through the south. Afterward, it
goes to the west and plunges itself into the Ocean, and it
travels unknown paths under the earth, and once again
runs back to the east

"Air and then Sky (above)"
Sometimes the word ‘sky’ is used for the air, where
winds and clouds and storms and whirlwinds arise.
Lucretius (cf. On the Nature of Things 4.133):
The sky (caelum), which is called air (aer).
And the Psalm (78:2; 103:12, Vulgate) refers to “fowls of
the sky (caelum),” when it is clear that birds fly in the air;
out of habit we also call this air, ‘sky.’ Thus when we ask
whether it is fair or overcast we sometimes say, “How is
the air?” and sometimes “How is the sky?”

"Sky is where the sun and moon are"
God embellished the heaven and
filled it with bright light – that is, he adorned it with the
sun and the gleaming orb of the moon, and the glorious
constellations of glittering stars. [In a different way, it
is named from engraving (caelare) the superior bodies.]
2. It is called
L in Greek, after the term QY
,
that is, ‘seeing,’ because the air is transparent and clearer
for seeing. In Sacred Scripture the sky is called the firmament (firmamentum), because it is secured (firmare) by
the course of the stars and by fixed and immutable laws.

"the stars are in the ether"
The ether
(aether) is the place where the stars are, and signifies
that fire which is separated high above from the entire
world. Of course, ether is itself an element, but aethra
(i.e. another word for ether) is the radiance of ether;
it is a Greek word. 2. The sphere (sphaera) of the sky
is so named because it has a round shape in appearance. But anything of such a shape is called a sphaera
by the Greeks from its roundness, such as the balls that
children play with.

*It's not entirely certain what the firmament means in this comment (to me), so I opted for "The ether" which seemed very clear, but I suspect they mean much in the same.

  f67v2.png (Size: 899.84 KB / Downloads: 995) ]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4826.html Wed, 23 Jul 2025 08:24:55 +0000 dashstofsk]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4826.html
It does suggest that either the authors were unfamiliar with the subject ( in which case it might be equally so with the other topics, which would make the content of VMS empty and valueless ), or did not care too much to make the VMS accurate ( likely under the artificial construction hypothesis ).]]>
It does suggest that either the authors were unfamiliar with the subject ( in which case it might be equally so with the other topics, which would make the content of VMS empty and valueless ), or did not care too much to make the VMS accurate ( likely under the artificial construction hypothesis ).]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4731.html Wed, 28 May 2025 02:54:06 +0000 Jorge_Stolfi]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4731.html
So the VMS Zodiac is already strange in that the month name written under each sign's icon is only 2/3 correct.  Thus for instance Sagittarius is labeled "December", but 10 days of that sign are in November.  So the correct label should have been "November-December".

However, I have run into two sources that state that "in the Middle Ages" each sign started on the 1st of the month, instead of on the 20th.  Unfortunately those articles did not say when the sync with the equinoxes took place.  If the switch happened after the VMS was written, all those written month names are one month off.  namely, the label under Sagittarius should have been "November", not "December".  And ditto for all other months

Anyway, it seems that the VMS month names were written after the Zodiac sync.

Thoughts?

All the best, --stolfi]]>
So the VMS Zodiac is already strange in that the month name written under each sign's icon is only 2/3 correct.  Thus for instance Sagittarius is labeled "December", but 10 days of that sign are in November.  So the correct label should have been "November-December".

However, I have run into two sources that state that "in the Middle Ages" each sign started on the 1st of the month, instead of on the 20th.  Unfortunately those articles did not say when the sync with the equinoxes took place.  If the switch happened after the VMS was written, all those written month names are one month off.  namely, the label under Sagittarius should have been "November", not "December".  And ditto for all other months

Anyway, it seems that the VMS month names were written after the Zodiac sync.

Thoughts?

All the best, --stolfi]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4664.html Sun, 27 Apr 2025 16:03:35 +0000 jacopog]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4664.html
Tipo di pagina rilevato: Astronomical

Traduzione completa:

secundum naturam pianeta settentrionale. virtus occulta cometa misurare luna.

eclissi meridionale misurare cometa. astro ascendente misurare stella. cielo mobile misurare cometa. pianeta invisibile tracciare costellazione. costellazione discendente interpretare luna.

contra morbum segnala costellazione. discendente stella osservare segnala luna.

contra morbum stella discendente. costellazione interpretare manifesta. et hoc est.
Dettagli dell'analisi linguistica

Statistiche del testo:
Simboli rilevati: 14336
Pattern ricorrenti: 10
Densità del testo: 0.0321
Caratteristiche linguistiche:
Alfabeto stimato: 40 caratteri
Direzione di scrittura: Bidirezionale o misto
Note sulla traduzione:
La traduzione è basata sull'analisi del contenuto visivo della pagina.
L'algoritmo ha identificato questa come una pagina di tipo astronomical.
La traduzione è specifica per questa pagina ed è generata analizzando la struttura, i pattern e i caratteri presenti.

7. Risultati dell'analisi combinata
Interpretazione finale
Principali conclusioni dell'analisi:
Struttura del testo: Il manoscritto contiene circa 30 simboli unici, con un indice di diversità di 0.46.

Lingua più probabile: La maggiore somiglianza è con il Medieval Latin (44.0% di similarità).

Direzione di scrittura: Non determinata con certezza.

Pattern ricorrenti: Identificati 0 pattern ricorrenti.

Struttura dei caratteri: I simboli mostrano una struttura organizzata in 10 gruppi principali.

Complessità del testo: L'entropia di Shannon è 4.47, indicando un sistema di scrittura mediamente complesso.

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Tipo di pagina rilevato: Astronomical

Traduzione completa:

secundum naturam pianeta settentrionale. virtus occulta cometa misurare luna.

eclissi meridionale misurare cometa. astro ascendente misurare stella. cielo mobile misurare cometa. pianeta invisibile tracciare costellazione. costellazione discendente interpretare luna.

contra morbum segnala costellazione. discendente stella osservare segnala luna.

contra morbum stella discendente. costellazione interpretare manifesta. et hoc est.
Dettagli dell'analisi linguistica

Statistiche del testo:
Simboli rilevati: 14336
Pattern ricorrenti: 10
Densità del testo: 0.0321
Caratteristiche linguistiche:
Alfabeto stimato: 40 caratteri
Direzione di scrittura: Bidirezionale o misto
Note sulla traduzione:
La traduzione è basata sull'analisi del contenuto visivo della pagina.
L'algoritmo ha identificato questa come una pagina di tipo astronomical.
La traduzione è specifica per questa pagina ed è generata analizzando la struttura, i pattern e i caratteri presenti.

7. Risultati dell'analisi combinata
Interpretazione finale
Principali conclusioni dell'analisi:
Struttura del testo: Il manoscritto contiene circa 30 simboli unici, con un indice di diversità di 0.46.

Lingua più probabile: La maggiore somiglianza è con il Medieval Latin (44.0% di similarità).

Direzione di scrittura: Non determinata con certezza.

Pattern ricorrenti: Identificati 0 pattern ricorrenti.

Struttura dei caratteri: I simboli mostrano una struttura organizzata in 10 gruppi principali.

Complessità del testo: L'entropia di Shannon è 4.47, indicando un sistema di scrittura mediamente complesso.

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Here are links to two articles dedicated to said 11 Moon phases, see
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Said depiction is surrounded by an inner ring of 10 naked females reclining horizontally with the lower half of their bodies in cylindrical tubs.

There is also an outer ring with 19 naked females standing vertically with the lower half of their bodies also in cylindrical tubs.

All females are having multi-pointed stars on a string.

Assuming that the manuscript originates from the Republic of Venice, one couldn't help but notice that the New Year in Venice in medieval times was on the 1st of March.

Since 9 of the reclined females in the inner ring and their stars are oriented counterclockwise (except for one, oriented clockwise and sharing the same tub with another female but from the opposite side of the tub), one could possibly interpret the reclined females and their stars in the inner ring as the days in the first decan of Pisces at the end of February. The only reclined female oriented clockwise could possibly depict 29th of February in a leap year.
Here the interpretation could be that the females are reclined to show that they represent past days from the previous month of February.

The stars of all 19 females in the outer ring are oriented clockwise. Here the interpretation could be that the females are standing upright to show that they represent forthcoming days of the remaining 2 decans of Pisces with respect to the New Year in Venice on the 1st of March.

The scheme looks like this:

- first decan of Pisces in February (9 females reclining counterclockwise); 
- a female reclining clockwise (29th of February in a leap year); and
- forthcoming second and third decans of Pisces in March (19 standing-up females with stars oriented clockwise).

Note that folio 70v seems to be the only astrological folio where females are oriented in opposite directions (clockwise or counterclockwise).]]>
Said depiction is surrounded by an inner ring of 10 naked females reclining horizontally with the lower half of their bodies in cylindrical tubs.

There is also an outer ring with 19 naked females standing vertically with the lower half of their bodies also in cylindrical tubs.

All females are having multi-pointed stars on a string.

Assuming that the manuscript originates from the Republic of Venice, one couldn't help but notice that the New Year in Venice in medieval times was on the 1st of March.

Since 9 of the reclined females in the inner ring and their stars are oriented counterclockwise (except for one, oriented clockwise and sharing the same tub with another female but from the opposite side of the tub), one could possibly interpret the reclined females and their stars in the inner ring as the days in the first decan of Pisces at the end of February. The only reclined female oriented clockwise could possibly depict 29th of February in a leap year.
Here the interpretation could be that the females are reclined to show that they represent past days from the previous month of February.

The stars of all 19 females in the outer ring are oriented clockwise. Here the interpretation could be that the females are standing upright to show that they represent forthcoming days of the remaining 2 decans of Pisces with respect to the New Year in Venice on the 1st of March.

The scheme looks like this:

- first decan of Pisces in February (9 females reclining counterclockwise); 
- a female reclining clockwise (29th of February in a leap year); and
- forthcoming second and third decans of Pisces in March (19 standing-up females with stars oriented clockwise).

Note that folio 70v seems to be the only astrological folio where females are oriented in opposite directions (clockwise or counterclockwise).]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4415.html Thu, 28 Nov 2024 13:25:26 +0000 argo2001]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4415.html
Few months back I got myself to study a bit, and found that Chinese have a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. system. These Mansions reflect the movement of the moon in a lunar month (28 days) where each day corresponds with a constellation.

The Chinese lunar calendar is separated into quadrants - Dragon(East), Turtle/Snake(North), Tiger(West) and Bird(East). The south is usually on top.
Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Indians and Arabs utilise similar concept.

The 28-Mansions System lunar appears to be present on page f68r3. I saw there is an agreement that f68r3 features the moon in the middle.

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What's more interesting is this rendition of the Mansion System from time of Yuan dynasty 1271-1368. Marco Polo served Yuan dynasty around 1280.

  f68r3 28 mansions chinese 2.png (Size: 1.64 MB / Downloads: 1440)

What's important, all lunar mansion systems - be it Arabic, Chinese or Indian - do include Pleiades as one of the mansions. The symbol in Chinese is "昴" is 16th lunar mansion, under Tiger(west).

In this image, I located 昴 on the right and adjusted it to align with the European north-up perspective. Conveniently, the Pleiades constellation in the VMS corresponds to the chart.


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edit: changed title from "Chinese Astrology present in VMS" to "Eastern Astrology present in VMS"]]>
Few months back I got myself to study a bit, and found that Chinese have a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. system. These Mansions reflect the movement of the moon in a lunar month (28 days) where each day corresponds with a constellation.

The Chinese lunar calendar is separated into quadrants - Dragon(East), Turtle/Snake(North), Tiger(West) and Bird(East). The south is usually on top.
Japanese, Koreans, Chinese, Indians and Arabs utilise similar concept.

The 28-Mansions System lunar appears to be present on page f68r3. I saw there is an agreement that f68r3 features the moon in the middle.

  f68r 28 mansions chinese.png (Size: 1.21 MB / Downloads: 1561)

What's more interesting is this rendition of the Mansion System from time of Yuan dynasty 1271-1368. Marco Polo served Yuan dynasty around 1280.

  f68r3 28 mansions chinese 2.png (Size: 1.64 MB / Downloads: 1440)

What's important, all lunar mansion systems - be it Arabic, Chinese or Indian - do include Pleiades as one of the mansions. The symbol in Chinese is "昴" is 16th lunar mansion, under Tiger(west).

In this image, I located 昴 on the right and adjusted it to align with the European north-up perspective. Conveniently, the Pleiades constellation in the VMS corresponds to the chart.


  f68r3 28 mansions chinese 3.png (Size: 468.08 KB / Downloads: 1493)

edit: changed title from "Chinese Astrology present in VMS" to "Eastern Astrology present in VMS"]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4362.html Sat, 07 Sep 2024 06:34:30 +0000 BessAgritianin]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-4362.html How many are the missing constellations in VM Zodiac?]]> How many are the missing constellations in VM Zodiac?]]>