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"A Glyph Is Not a Letter, a Token Is Not a Word, a Space Is Not a Space: What the Units of Voynichese Are Not"
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"A Glyph Is Not a Letter, a Token Is Not a Word, a Space Is Not a Space: What the Units of Voynichese Are Not"
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  (1) Some researchers consider Dr. Hartlieb too young to be connected to the Voynich Manuscript. I hold a different opinion and provide a rationale. Dr. Hartlieb was born in 1400, not 1410; otherwise, he could not possibly have participated in the Hussite Wars in 1419.

  (2) Dr. Hartlieb was the only person at the time who possessed the full spectrum of knowledge covered in the Voynich Manuscript. His works and materials contain drawings and diagrams resembling the manuscript's graphic content. Hartlieb's *Medico-Astrological Calendar* features various scripts and cipher systems incorporating up to 70% of the symbols found in the Voynich Manuscript, including the inscription "Michitonese".

  (3) Dr. Hartlieb did not write the Voynich Manuscript himself; instead, he commissioned five scribes to produce up to ten different versions based on his drafts, allowing them the freedom to generate words and drawings within certain parameters. This is evidenced by certain duplicated pages that differ in handwriting and detail (f70v1, f71r, f71v, f72r1). Therefore, there is no need to compare the handwriting of Dr. Hartlieb with that of the individuals who wrote the manuscript. The presence of duplicated pages and diagrams also indicates that the Voynich Manuscript is assembled from several surviving fragments belonging to different versions of the manuscript.

  (4) Regarding the depiction of the castle in the manuscript, researchers note that the fortress's general layout - four towers connected by walls, a moat or river, and a central building (*Herrenhaus*) - mirrors the original structure of Blutenburg Castle from that era with remarkable accuracy. This has led to the hypothesis that Hartlieb sketched Blutenburg Castle in his draft, while the scribes added the characteristic crenellations to the walls.]]>
  (1) Some researchers consider Dr. Hartlieb too young to be connected to the Voynich Manuscript. I hold a different opinion and provide a rationale. Dr. Hartlieb was born in 1400, not 1410; otherwise, he could not possibly have participated in the Hussite Wars in 1419.

  (2) Dr. Hartlieb was the only person at the time who possessed the full spectrum of knowledge covered in the Voynich Manuscript. His works and materials contain drawings and diagrams resembling the manuscript's graphic content. Hartlieb's *Medico-Astrological Calendar* features various scripts and cipher systems incorporating up to 70% of the symbols found in the Voynich Manuscript, including the inscription "Michitonese".

  (3) Dr. Hartlieb did not write the Voynich Manuscript himself; instead, he commissioned five scribes to produce up to ten different versions based on his drafts, allowing them the freedom to generate words and drawings within certain parameters. This is evidenced by certain duplicated pages that differ in handwriting and detail (f70v1, f71r, f71v, f72r1). Therefore, there is no need to compare the handwriting of Dr. Hartlieb with that of the individuals who wrote the manuscript. The presence of duplicated pages and diagrams also indicates that the Voynich Manuscript is assembled from several surviving fragments belonging to different versions of the manuscript.

  (4) Regarding the depiction of the castle in the manuscript, researchers note that the fortress's general layout - four towers connected by walls, a moat or river, and a central building (*Herrenhaus*) - mirrors the original structure of Blutenburg Castle from that era with remarkable accuracy. This has led to the hypothesis that Hartlieb sketched Blutenburg Castle in his draft, while the scribes added the characteristic crenellations to the walls.]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6031.html Wed, 19 Aug 2026 20:55:09 +0000 JustAnotherTheory]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6031.html
I'm sure that at this point in the history of the VMS, certain events and letters are discussed as "facts", however I remain unconvinced. How is it that a 15th century manuscript divides so many medieval history experts to such a degree?

My main argument can be split into three points. I hope, despite the "well-established" provenance of the VMS, it will cast a doubt on you, too.

1. None of the alleged previous owners of the VMS mentioned any of the peculiar aspects of the VMS. Baresch, Marci, Kircher talked about an unreadable manuscript with herbal and cosmological diagrams. But everybody failed to mention the hundreds of naked nymphs, though. One would think that this distinguishing feature of of the MS would be the first thing to mention in any correspondence. After all, no other MS exists with so many weird naked ladies. Why didn't anybody write: "Hey, help me decipher this manuscript with... 300 b*tt naked ladies from the 15th century". Let's face it, the VMS is not "only" a herbal. There are thousands of herbals. Not one has this many nymphs. Also, nobody mentioned the tubes and bathing scenes either. If I would describe the VMS to someone, especially an expert, there is no way I would leave those details out. Would you?
   
2. Voynich himself noted the (faded) signature of Jacobus Tepenecz on the front page of the VMS. Yet nobody in the entire known history of the VMS mentioned anything about Tepenecz. For Baresch, Marci, Kircher and others, it would have been obvious that there is a famous signature on the front page. These were not laymen. These were experts. Yet nobody, for some reason, mentions that the personal herbalist of the mighty Holy Roman Emperor himself, Rudolf II, visibly signed the manuscript on the front page.
   
3. Kircher's letter to Moretus in 1639 says that: "I can let you know that the other sheet which appeared to be written in the same unknown script is printed in the Illyrian language in the script commonly called St Jerome's". But Voynichese is nothing like Illyrian (Glagolitic) language. It is totally different, they don't even have the same characters. Either Kircher/Moretus are totally misunderstanding basic linguistic features, of which they are allegedly era-defining experts, or... they are talking about another MS. Not the Voynich MS.
   

In conclusion, I am not convinced by the currently understood provenance history of the VMS. Not a single link seems to indicate, unambiguously, that they are talking about the VMS. Crucial details are missing from each correspondence.

Are they talking about some other manuscript instead?

If you agree that 99 percent of manuscripts from the middle ages are lost today, then it is vastly more probable that these people are talking about another, lost MS, rather than the Voynich manuscript. 

I think we need to revise the history of the VMS.]]>
I'm sure that at this point in the history of the VMS, certain events and letters are discussed as "facts", however I remain unconvinced. How is it that a 15th century manuscript divides so many medieval history experts to such a degree?

My main argument can be split into three points. I hope, despite the "well-established" provenance of the VMS, it will cast a doubt on you, too.

1. None of the alleged previous owners of the VMS mentioned any of the peculiar aspects of the VMS. Baresch, Marci, Kircher talked about an unreadable manuscript with herbal and cosmological diagrams. But everybody failed to mention the hundreds of naked nymphs, though. One would think that this distinguishing feature of of the MS would be the first thing to mention in any correspondence. After all, no other MS exists with so many weird naked ladies. Why didn't anybody write: "Hey, help me decipher this manuscript with... 300 b*tt naked ladies from the 15th century". Let's face it, the VMS is not "only" a herbal. There are thousands of herbals. Not one has this many nymphs. Also, nobody mentioned the tubes and bathing scenes either. If I would describe the VMS to someone, especially an expert, there is no way I would leave those details out. Would you?
   
2. Voynich himself noted the (faded) signature of Jacobus Tepenecz on the front page of the VMS. Yet nobody in the entire known history of the VMS mentioned anything about Tepenecz. For Baresch, Marci, Kircher and others, it would have been obvious that there is a famous signature on the front page. These were not laymen. These were experts. Yet nobody, for some reason, mentions that the personal herbalist of the mighty Holy Roman Emperor himself, Rudolf II, visibly signed the manuscript on the front page.
   
3. Kircher's letter to Moretus in 1639 says that: "I can let you know that the other sheet which appeared to be written in the same unknown script is printed in the Illyrian language in the script commonly called St Jerome's". But Voynichese is nothing like Illyrian (Glagolitic) language. It is totally different, they don't even have the same characters. Either Kircher/Moretus are totally misunderstanding basic linguistic features, of which they are allegedly era-defining experts, or... they are talking about another MS. Not the Voynich MS.
   

In conclusion, I am not convinced by the currently understood provenance history of the VMS. Not a single link seems to indicate, unambiguously, that they are talking about the VMS. Crucial details are missing from each correspondence.

Are they talking about some other manuscript instead?

If you agree that 99 percent of manuscripts from the middle ages are lost today, then it is vastly more probable that these people are talking about another, lost MS, rather than the Voynich manuscript. 

I think we need to revise the history of the VMS.]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6030.html Tue, 18 Aug 2026 22:02:05 +0000 ololololo]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6030.html   Снимок экрана 2026-08-19 005047_20260819005422.png (Size: 1.07 MB / Downloads: 134)
Rosette 1 perfectly matches diagram f67r1. They have the same number of rays = 12.

Rosette has 3 14 rays in total. The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. also has two different types of rays, but there are only 28 of them, whereas on the Rosetta 2 there are only half. In terms of shape, it is very similar to the f70r2. There’s even a sun in the center, but here’s the problem — this rosette is two rays short of 16; that’s exactly how many rays the f70r2 has

I couldn’t figure out how many rays Rosetta 2 has. If it has 8, then it could correspond to f68v2 and the same f70r2 (it’s similar in shape). If it has 9, then there’s a candidate f70r1 (but there’s no similarity in shape) and f68v3 (9 spirals, but that’s not it at all).

In total, possible matches: Rosette 1 - f67r1, Rosette 2 - f68v2, Rosette 3 - f70r2.

...And that’s it. It’s not enough to call Rosetta’s scheme a cosmological one.


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Rosette 1 perfectly matches diagram f67r1. They have the same number of rays = 12.

Rosette has 3 14 rays in total. The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. also has two different types of rays, but there are only 28 of them, whereas on the Rosetta 2 there are only half. In terms of shape, it is very similar to the f70r2. There’s even a sun in the center, but here’s the problem — this rosette is two rays short of 16; that’s exactly how many rays the f70r2 has

I couldn’t figure out how many rays Rosetta 2 has. If it has 8, then it could correspond to f68v2 and the same f70r2 (it’s similar in shape). If it has 9, then there’s a candidate f70r1 (but there’s no similarity in shape) and f68v3 (9 spirals, but that’s not it at all).

In total, possible matches: Rosette 1 - f67r1, Rosette 2 - f68v2, Rosette 3 - f70r2.

...And that’s it. It’s not enough to call Rosetta’s scheme a cosmological one.


What do you think?]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6029.html Tue, 18 Aug 2026 07:10:22 +0000 ololololo]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6029.html
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The Voynichese script, as is well known, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. — C and I — and most of the symbols (except, perhaps, the gallows) can be reduced to these two.

Maybe this is telling us something?]]>
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Roughly speaking, the entire Fontana alphabet is built around O and I. Therefore, the lines written in this cipher look rather “monotonous”:

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The Voynichese script, as is well known, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. — C and I — and most of the symbols (except, perhaps, the gallows) can be reduced to these two.

Maybe this is telling us something?]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6027.html Mon, 17 Aug 2026 23:16:51 +0000 exlipsiae]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6027.html Register or Login to view. 


Going by the article, this might have been an early attempt at translation conducted by Johannes Marcus Marci. Now I know that this key cannot provide any actual translation of the manuscript. All the same I was curious as to why specifically this key was chosen. After all, someone (Marci according to the handwriting analysis) must have had a hunch that this was the way to go. They made sure to write it down on the very first folio. If they were just toying around why not scribble on some piece of paper instead of the actual vellum? 

So I matched the table above to EVA transliteration and applied the key to the full "text" of the manuscript. The result can be seen in the attached file (split for file size). There are a couple of legit words that in there, but nothing that really stands out as a likely starting point for Marci's substitution attempt. If he believed an simple substitution was behind it (and not having the luxury of conducting computer powered brute force attempts), I would expect that he would pick some word standing by themselves or serving as a label to some image and go from there. "Rex" (latin for "king") shows up a couple of times, but usually in the middle of text blocks and not matching any part of the text you might expect to say "king". 

Of course we do not know what Marci would have thought the original language of the manuscript to be. 

• Does anyone know a good method to double check if there are more meaningful words in this substitution in any appropriate language?
  

There is also a chance that his key did produce some legitimate plain text words, but only in the folios lost to us. This might be supported by the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.that do not appear anywhere else in the text. 

• Are there any theories as to their meaning?
  

Funny enough, there is one word that does appear quite clearly, showing up 17 times and perfectly describes my success rate so far: "bleak" 

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Going by the article, this might have been an early attempt at translation conducted by Johannes Marcus Marci. Now I know that this key cannot provide any actual translation of the manuscript. All the same I was curious as to why specifically this key was chosen. After all, someone (Marci according to the handwriting analysis) must have had a hunch that this was the way to go. They made sure to write it down on the very first folio. If they were just toying around why not scribble on some piece of paper instead of the actual vellum? 

So I matched the table above to EVA transliteration and applied the key to the full "text" of the manuscript. The result can be seen in the attached file (split for file size). There are a couple of legit words that in there, but nothing that really stands out as a likely starting point for Marci's substitution attempt. If he believed an simple substitution was behind it (and not having the luxury of conducting computer powered brute force attempts), I would expect that he would pick some word standing by themselves or serving as a label to some image and go from there. "Rex" (latin for "king") shows up a couple of times, but usually in the middle of text blocks and not matching any part of the text you might expect to say "king". 

Of course we do not know what Marci would have thought the original language of the manuscript to be. 

• Does anyone know a good method to double check if there are more meaningful words in this substitution in any appropriate language?
  

There is also a chance that his key did produce some legitimate plain text words, but only in the folios lost to us. This might be supported by the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.that do not appear anywhere else in the text. 

• Are there any theories as to their meaning?
  

Funny enough, there is one word that does appear quite clearly, showing up 17 times and perfectly describes my success rate so far: "bleak" 

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As for Herbal B, you can identify not just similarities, but entire families of similar plants. More on this in the next post.]]>
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Below, if anything, is my clumsy attempt to depict the general features of the plants mentioned.
As for Herbal B, you can identify not just similarities, but entire families of similar plants. More on this in the next post.]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6023.html Sun, 16 Aug 2026 17:33:33 +0000 Worldmaster777]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6023.html Hello! I’m Vladimir Aristippus Robespierre from Moscow, Russia. Last year, I published a report in which I explained the meaning of some drawings from the Voynich Manuscript. Since then, I have come to understand additional details and identified a historical context that closely aligns with my reading of the drawings: the author of the Voynich Manuscript held views highly consistent with Neoplatonism, a perspective that featured prominently in late medieval natural philosophy. This report details those new observations and updates a few points from my previous analysis based on further findings.

By examining the illustrations not in isolation, but within the context of the entire manuscript, I trace recurring visual motifs and color codes, which I refer to as “Voynich lore”. This holistic approach allows me to identify structural parallels and clarify the meaning behind many of these elements.

This report is also a natural continuation of my Reddit post ‘The word “tolor” means “fertilization”’, which became “Top Post All Time” on the Voynich subreddit just two days after publication. Here, I show that every single piece of parchment containing the character sequence “tolor”, which appears only three times in the entire manuscript, describes the exact same process: how the soul comes into this world after a man has fertilized a woman. Though each series of illustrations features different imagery, such as plants, nymphs, and stars, they employ a shared set of visual codes.

The largest fold-out diagram fRos serves as the conceptual core of the manuscript. It maps the interaction between the human soul, the sensory apparatus of the body, and the sensible world, a composition resonant with Neoplatonic concepts. The layout consists of a central rosette representing the brain, peripheral rosettes corresponding to the five senses and speech, along with reproduction and the sensible world. The grouping of the five Aristotelian senses and speech together follows the model of Ramon Llull, an influential medieval philosopher whose widely circulated works the creator of the diagram was very likely familiar with.

The present study demonstrates that the Voynich Manuscript is not a collection of scattered illustrations but a holistic system united by the Neoplatonic philosophical tradition. The key result of this work is the revelation of the internal logic of the manuscript. If the pages are considered in isolation, one can put forward a multitude of different hypotheses, but when the drawings come together into a coherent whole, their mutual consistency becomes so complete that the probability of an erroneous interpretation yielding such systemic coherence approaches zero.

Knowledge of the actual meaning of the illustrations immediately eliminates dead-end research directions. Once it becomes clear that the plants are stylized diagrams, the stars denote souls, and the nymphs are not bathing women, there is no longer any need to search for real herbs, astronomical constellations, or balneological recipes. Grasping the theme of the pages narrows the space of interpretations and directs research in a productive course.

You can download my new report here:

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.]]> Hello! I’m Vladimir Aristippus Robespierre from Moscow, Russia. Last year, I published a report in which I explained the meaning of some drawings from the Voynich Manuscript. Since then, I have come to understand additional details and identified a historical context that closely aligns with my reading of the drawings: the author of the Voynich Manuscript held views highly consistent with Neoplatonism, a perspective that featured prominently in late medieval natural philosophy. This report details those new observations and updates a few points from my previous analysis based on further findings.

By examining the illustrations not in isolation, but within the context of the entire manuscript, I trace recurring visual motifs and color codes, which I refer to as “Voynich lore”. This holistic approach allows me to identify structural parallels and clarify the meaning behind many of these elements.

This report is also a natural continuation of my Reddit post ‘The word “tolor” means “fertilization”’, which became “Top Post All Time” on the Voynich subreddit just two days after publication. Here, I show that every single piece of parchment containing the character sequence “tolor”, which appears only three times in the entire manuscript, describes the exact same process: how the soul comes into this world after a man has fertilized a woman. Though each series of illustrations features different imagery, such as plants, nymphs, and stars, they employ a shared set of visual codes.

The largest fold-out diagram fRos serves as the conceptual core of the manuscript. It maps the interaction between the human soul, the sensory apparatus of the body, and the sensible world, a composition resonant with Neoplatonic concepts. The layout consists of a central rosette representing the brain, peripheral rosettes corresponding to the five senses and speech, along with reproduction and the sensible world. The grouping of the five Aristotelian senses and speech together follows the model of Ramon Llull, an influential medieval philosopher whose widely circulated works the creator of the diagram was very likely familiar with.

The present study demonstrates that the Voynich Manuscript is not a collection of scattered illustrations but a holistic system united by the Neoplatonic philosophical tradition. The key result of this work is the revelation of the internal logic of the manuscript. If the pages are considered in isolation, one can put forward a multitude of different hypotheses, but when the drawings come together into a coherent whole, their mutual consistency becomes so complete that the probability of an erroneous interpretation yielding such systemic coherence approaches zero.

Knowledge of the actual meaning of the illustrations immediately eliminates dead-end research directions. Once it becomes clear that the plants are stylized diagrams, the stars denote souls, and the nymphs are not bathing women, there is no longer any need to search for real herbs, astronomical constellations, or balneological recipes. Grasping the theme of the pages narrows the space of interpretations and directs research in a productive course.

You can download my new report here:

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All 3 of these manuscripts contain a section, seemingly about the constellations, including -but not limited to- the zodiac. In this section each constellation/zodiac sign is placed in the middle of a set of concentric circles, surrounded by the degrees associated with the constellation. This seems incredibly relevant to the VMS, and to date is the only work I've seen that comes close to the VMS style in any respect.  

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But seperately, I came across a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. from ReneZ in the zodiac 101 thread, linking these to Cod. Pal. germ. 832. This manuscript contains a work that until now I didn't quite understand: each zodiac sign followed by many squares, each containing a depiction of something. 

Including cpg832, I have come across 3 sources containing this work: 

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (and other prints like in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) - Venice, Italy
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (1491-1501AD, Regensburg, Germany S)
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Interestingly, the origin of this work is linked to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in Venice, who was a printer from augsburg, but was first active as a printer in Venice (1476-1486) and then later returned to Augsburg.  This work clearly migrated north to southern germany and was copied, and then further north to be copied in eastern germany by the turn of the 16th century. 

Now, the works from Alfonso's Scriptorium were apparently copied from aramaic and arabic works, with Lapidario (h-I-15) apparently being sourced from an arabic book owned by a jew in Toledo. This was translated into spanish -and had extra content added to it- over a undetermined amount of time (years?, decades?). 

The question is this: do these works have a common origin in some way? Are they representing the same content about the degrees of each sign, or were these concepts developed entirely seperately?  

If there are more examples of either of these works (including text only!), perhaps it will become possible to link certain aspects of them the VMS annotations. 

P.S What should I name this category of work for the spreadsheet? "Zodiac Degrees"?]]>
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All 3 of these manuscripts contain a section, seemingly about the constellations, including -but not limited to- the zodiac. In this section each constellation/zodiac sign is placed in the middle of a set of concentric circles, surrounded by the degrees associated with the constellation. This seems incredibly relevant to the VMS, and to date is the only work I've seen that comes close to the VMS style in any respect.  

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But seperately, I came across a You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. from ReneZ in the zodiac 101 thread, linking these to Cod. Pal. germ. 832. This manuscript contains a work that until now I didn't quite understand: each zodiac sign followed by many squares, each containing a depiction of something. 

Including cpg832, I have come across 3 sources containing this work: 

You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (and other prints like in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.) - Venice, Italy
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (1491-1501AD, Regensburg, Germany S)
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (~1500AD, Torgau / Wittenberg, Germany E)


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Interestingly, the origin of this work is linked to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in Venice, who was a printer from augsburg, but was first active as a printer in Venice (1476-1486) and then later returned to Augsburg.  This work clearly migrated north to southern germany and was copied, and then further north to be copied in eastern germany by the turn of the 16th century. 

Now, the works from Alfonso's Scriptorium were apparently copied from aramaic and arabic works, with Lapidario (h-I-15) apparently being sourced from an arabic book owned by a jew in Toledo. This was translated into spanish -and had extra content added to it- over a undetermined amount of time (years?, decades?). 

The question is this: do these works have a common origin in some way? Are they representing the same content about the degrees of each sign, or were these concepts developed entirely seperately?  

If there are more examples of either of these works (including text only!), perhaps it will become possible to link certain aspects of them the VMS annotations. 

P.S What should I name this category of work for the spreadsheet? "Zodiac Degrees"?]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6020.html Sat, 15 Aug 2026 17:50:49 +0000 ololololo]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6020.html
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Takahashi has this ShcTHey. But for some reason, it seems to me that interpreting the word here is more difficult. It could be sheTchy, sheTHHy, or sheTeey.
Given the possible relationship between the symbols e and c, as well as ee and ch, I would suggest that cTh (like other gallows on the pedestal) is simply a stylistic embellishment of the spelling ete, with the addition of a line crossing the gallows.

Interesting cases of spelling e and hangings can be found on f67r1:

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In two cases, ep stands before a. If a = ei, then a good combination of epe would result.

What do you think?]]>
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Takahashi has this ShcTHey. But for some reason, it seems to me that interpreting the word here is more difficult. It could be sheTchy, sheTHHy, or sheTeey.
Given the possible relationship between the symbols e and c, as well as ee and ch, I would suggest that cTh (like other gallows on the pedestal) is simply a stylistic embellishment of the spelling ete, with the addition of a line crossing the gallows.

Interesting cases of spelling e and hangings can be found on f67r1:

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In two cases, ep stands before a. If a = ei, then a good combination of epe would result.

What do you think?]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6019.html Sat, 15 Aug 2026 10:49:15 +0000 Rafal]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6019.html Register or Login to view. folio.

I altered the picture with graphic editor changing stuff like hue, contrast etc. :

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For me it seems a bit like letters " k o ń r "
"Koń" is "horse" in Polish but I wouldn't go that far 

Do you see something too or is it just some random noise for you?]]> Register or Login to view. folio.

I altered the picture with graphic editor changing stuff like hue, contrast etc. :

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For me it seems a bit like letters " k o ń r "
"Koń" is "horse" in Polish but I wouldn't go that far 

Do you see something too or is it just some random noise for you?]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6012.html Sun, 09 Aug 2026 18:53:16 +0000 ChiroBG]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6012.html I compared first vs last words in each line - and cloned the Voynich with a 15th century paper machine.  Hi all,

Long-time lurker. I had a simple idea that I haven't seen visualized this way before:

What if we take only the first word of every line and only the last word of every line from the same page and compare them? If it's a natural language, they should have the same statistics. If it's mechanically generated, they won't.

I did it on f1r-f8v using the Takahashi transcription.

Results:

First words: avg 5.8 chars, 68% start with gallows qok- / qot- / p- / f- / t-, heavy suffixes like -aiin, -ain, -chor
Last words: avg 4.2 chars, 63% have NO prefix at all, 71% end in just -y / -dy / -ol / -ey
First words NEVER end with bare y alone in my sample, last words do it 13 times out of 35.
This is not a linguistic pattern. This is a layout pattern. The scribe needed a long impressive word at the start of the line and a short filler at the end where he ran out of space near the drawing.

Step 2: Reconstruct the scribe's table

I segmented the first words:
qok + aiin, qot + aiin, p + che + ol etc.

It breaks down to 3 columns:
Col 1 (Start): qok, qot, qo, p, f, t, k, ch, sh
Col 2 (Middle): k, ch, ai, ee, o
Col 3 (End): aiin, ain, chor, eey, edy, y, dy, ol, or, chey

First words = Col1 + Col3 (long)
Last words = Col3 only (short)

Exactly as Gordon Rugg proposed in 2004, and Timm & Schinner in 2016. I just re-discovered it via the first/last trick.

Step 3: Clone it

I built a generator from that table and generated some completely new botanical pages. No AI language model, just paper grille logic.

The result is  - 10 pages of plants that never existed, with text that is statistically identical to the original.

[Here are the 3 analysis charts I made - first/last length and prefix distribution + reconstructed table]
(attach voynich_analysis.png and voynich_table.png)


Conclusion:

I didn't decipher it. I think we proved the opposite - that there may be nothing to decipher. If we can generate infinite new pages that pass the statistical tests with a 15th century paper machine, the original is probably the same trick. A medieval chatbot to sell as a magic book.

Happy to share the code/table. Curious what you think - is the first/last analysis convincing enough as a visual proof for newcomers?

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  ръкопис на Войнич10.jpg (Size: 49.99 KB / Downloads: 104) ]]> I compared first vs last words in each line - and cloned the Voynich with a 15th century paper machine.  Hi all,

Long-time lurker. I had a simple idea that I haven't seen visualized this way before:

What if we take only the first word of every line and only the last word of every line from the same page and compare them? If it's a natural language, they should have the same statistics. If it's mechanically generated, they won't.

I did it on f1r-f8v using the Takahashi transcription.

Results:

First words: avg 5.8 chars, 68% start with gallows qok- / qot- / p- / f- / t-, heavy suffixes like -aiin, -ain, -chor
Last words: avg 4.2 chars, 63% have NO prefix at all, 71% end in just -y / -dy / -ol / -ey
First words NEVER end with bare y alone in my sample, last words do it 13 times out of 35.
This is not a linguistic pattern. This is a layout pattern. The scribe needed a long impressive word at the start of the line and a short filler at the end where he ran out of space near the drawing.

Step 2: Reconstruct the scribe's table

I segmented the first words:
qok + aiin, qot + aiin, p + che + ol etc.

It breaks down to 3 columns:
Col 1 (Start): qok, qot, qo, p, f, t, k, ch, sh
Col 2 (Middle): k, ch, ai, ee, o
Col 3 (End): aiin, ain, chor, eey, edy, y, dy, ol, or, chey

First words = Col1 + Col3 (long)
Last words = Col3 only (short)

Exactly as Gordon Rugg proposed in 2004, and Timm & Schinner in 2016. I just re-discovered it via the first/last trick.

Step 3: Clone it

I built a generator from that table and generated some completely new botanical pages. No AI language model, just paper grille logic.

The result is  - 10 pages of plants that never existed, with text that is statistically identical to the original.

[Here are the 3 analysis charts I made - first/last length and prefix distribution + reconstructed table]
(attach voynich_analysis.png and voynich_table.png)


Conclusion:

I didn't decipher it. I think we proved the opposite - that there may be nothing to decipher. If we can generate infinite new pages that pass the statistical tests with a 15th century paper machine, the original is probably the same trick. A medieval chatbot to sell as a magic book.

Happy to share the code/table. Curious what you think - is the first/last analysis convincing enough as a visual proof for newcomers?

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You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6009.html Sat, 08 Aug 2026 14:52:51 +0000 maljefairi]]> https://www.voynich.ninja/thread-6009.html i am new to this voynich manuscript , i have been studying it for about 1 week, i found very close patterns that this is the exact way of writing magic in the book that teaches magic in Arabic its called
شمس المعارف الكبرى
also you can download it from here You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

NOTE: 

1- DO NOT USE THE ENGLISH TRANSLATED LANGUAGE 
2- DO NOT USE OCR 
3- DO NOT USE AI TRANSLATIONS 

they are all going to give you WRONG results  

try to find Arabic Originally speaker with *(FUSHA) 
شخص يتقن اللغة العربية الفصحى

then you will see amazing results including

Tables -> magic words creation ((my theory: those texts are not language they are a decode each letter equals a word that is translated))

i dont have enough resource or time to complete it fast but i am on the journy

i anderstand from the Turkish decoder claimer video that was recorded from the voynich ninja that this is not prefered to just add a note and ask everyone to participate or it could be only related to the theory writer alone that he is the only one who could decode it 


but i feel the importance of sharing this at this stage 


for example in this photo Screenshot 2026-08-08 at 5.35.28 PM attached has been recreated using open ai image generation 
the ai generated photo is in ChatGPT Image Aug 8, 2026, 05_49_02 PM.png which is absolutely wrong words for most for example in the middle its written 
ترشد
but in the translated ai generated trial is
سعيد
and many others are wrong


also in page 237 there is a way to use the *(DARK LETTERS) as correctly translated 
you can see it clearly in the image attached named Screenshot 2026-08-08 at 5.42.26 PM
so this is more a hint of why this voynich manuscript has 2 diffrent patterns *(Maybe) 





why many arabs muslims wont participate?  because magic in islam even reading it is forbeddin and can take you out of Islam as you belive that there is another power beside God power 

so if you want to find a person who have time to read the original 550+ pages of the Shamis Al Maa'rif Al Kubra book and try to help in decoding it might be a very hard task you need probably none muslim Arabic Fusha reader freelancer / free timer who can help in this decoding process and how to write using those numebrs 


step 2 could be changing those numbers letters to similar numbers and try to find the correct translations

PS: most of the arabic names in the arabic manuscript are Gin names and very hard even to pronounce for arabic speakers the translation should respect the correct way of writing them and pronouncing them to rearch or accurate results in the trial 


anyway i will try to allocate some time to help in the decrypting process if i have some time to keep reading and trying

NOTE: this is not a claim of fully decrypting or a real solution this is just a pattern that i saw and wanted to share

thanks
Dr. MJ

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  ChatGPT Image Aug 8, 2026, 05_49_02 PM.png (Size: 1.38 MB / Downloads: 190) ]]> i am new to this voynich manuscript , i have been studying it for about 1 week, i found very close patterns that this is the exact way of writing magic in the book that teaches magic in Arabic its called
شمس المعارف الكبرى
also you can download it from here You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

NOTE: 

1- DO NOT USE THE ENGLISH TRANSLATED LANGUAGE 
2- DO NOT USE OCR 
3- DO NOT USE AI TRANSLATIONS 

they are all going to give you WRONG results  

try to find Arabic Originally speaker with *(FUSHA) 
شخص يتقن اللغة العربية الفصحى

then you will see amazing results including

Tables -> magic words creation ((my theory: those texts are not language they are a decode each letter equals a word that is translated))

i dont have enough resource or time to complete it fast but i am on the journy

i anderstand from the Turkish decoder claimer video that was recorded from the voynich ninja that this is not prefered to just add a note and ask everyone to participate or it could be only related to the theory writer alone that he is the only one who could decode it 


but i feel the importance of sharing this at this stage 


for example in this photo Screenshot 2026-08-08 at 5.35.28 PM attached has been recreated using open ai image generation 
the ai generated photo is in ChatGPT Image Aug 8, 2026, 05_49_02 PM.png which is absolutely wrong words for most for example in the middle its written 
ترشد
but in the translated ai generated trial is
سعيد
and many others are wrong


also in page 237 there is a way to use the *(DARK LETTERS) as correctly translated 
you can see it clearly in the image attached named Screenshot 2026-08-08 at 5.42.26 PM
so this is more a hint of why this voynich manuscript has 2 diffrent patterns *(Maybe) 





why many arabs muslims wont participate?  because magic in islam even reading it is forbeddin and can take you out of Islam as you belive that there is another power beside God power 

so if you want to find a person who have time to read the original 550+ pages of the Shamis Al Maa'rif Al Kubra book and try to help in decoding it might be a very hard task you need probably none muslim Arabic Fusha reader freelancer / free timer who can help in this decoding process and how to write using those numebrs 


step 2 could be changing those numbers letters to similar numbers and try to find the correct translations

PS: most of the arabic names in the arabic manuscript are Gin names and very hard even to pronounce for arabic speakers the translation should respect the correct way of writing them and pronouncing them to rearch or accurate results in the trial 


anyway i will try to allocate some time to help in the decrypting process if i have some time to keep reading and trying

NOTE: this is not a claim of fully decrypting or a real solution this is just a pattern that i saw and wanted to share

thanks
Dr. MJ

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