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Unclear Latin word in 14th c document - -JKP- - 07-09-2016
Unfortunately, I neglected to screensnap the sample but for those familiar with classical Latin, I'm trying to work out a scrawly mystery word...
"Cum a??? vadis per aco ..." (the "co" in aco is superscripted)
I'm thinking it might be Cum autem vadis per... ? Or is there a better interpretation for the a-word?
For context, it's the first sentence following a 14th-century point-list of stars/planets.
RE: Unclear Latin word in 14th c document - Searcher - 07-09-2016
(07-09-2016, 06:51 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Unfortunately, I neglected to screensnap the sample but for those familiar with classical Latin, I'm trying to work out a scrawly mystery word...
"Cum a??? vadis per aco ..." (the "co" in aco is superscripted)
I'm thinking it might be Cum autem vadis per... ? Or is there a better interpretation for the a-word?
For context, it's the first sentence following a 14th-century point-list of stars/planets.
It quite can be not classical Latin in 14th century. "Cum" here may mean "when" (archaic quum and quom), therefore a-word may be just the preposition "a".
When from waters through (per) aco...
RE: Unclear Latin word in 14th c document - ReneZ - 07-09-2016
A bit hard without the example....
I note that 'vadis' is indicative, not subjunctive.
Therefore, 'cum' might be 'with' rather than a 'cum historicum'.
RE: Unclear Latin word in 14th c document - Searcher - 07-09-2016
(07-09-2016, 10:00 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A bit hard without the example....
I note that 'vadis' is indicative, not subjunctive.
Therefore, 'cum' might be 'with' rather than a 'cum historicum'.
In the translation I suggested, vadiis is a noun (vadum) in ablative plural, maybe, a verb (subjunctive) is in the rest part of the phrase. So, it could be useful to see the whole sentence.
RE: Unclear Latin word in 14th c document - ThomasCoon - 07-09-2016
-JKP-, note that "autem" often (but not always) finds itself in the 2nd position in a sentence, which would support your theory.
RE: Unclear Latin word in 14th c document - Anton - 07-09-2016
Would be good if you could draw it by memory.
RE: Unclear Latin word in 14th c document - -JKP- - 07-09-2016
(07-09-2016, 07:53 AM)Searcher Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It quite can be not classical Latin in 14th century.
You're quite right. I slipped in my terminology (I was probably in a "classical music" mindset when I wrote that
). Medieval Latin.The a-word had at least one letter after it (difficult to decipher but probably u or i) and what was probably a tail (so it was likely something that was abbreviated).
If I locate it again I'll screensnap it. I had been looking at some astronomical texts.
Thanks for your input so far.