(04-03-2023, 11:52 PM)Ahmet Ardıç Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.When I carried out such a search, I could not find any academic article about the fact that the same authors could always write the prefixes separately and together, and this is a common situation in European manuscripts. For this reason, I would appreciate if anyone came across a separate academic article on how this detail was handled in the old written texts of European languages, and if they would share this source with me.

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(05-03-2023, 01:33 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Often you can see that the letter "8/d" does not belong to the actual word. This changes from word to word.
As already described, French uses the apostrophe. Whether "de terre" or "d'terre" is irrelevant. It is written out once and shortened once.
We do the same, but rarely use an apostrophe.
Look carefully. It's not always what it looks like.
You just have to know it and understand it. And if there are 2x 8 at the beginning, you can bet that the first one is an article. Written out "de

Hi, there, I have collected some words from the VM that might that are definitely the prefixes and show the pattern how the prefixes work. As you can see, the words in each row are in the same grammatical form, that is, the same root and suffix, but prefix is different. I hope Ahmet can provide the translation and explanation for these words.

(05-03-2023, 01:33 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Often you can see that the letter "8/d" does not belong to the actual word. This changes from word to word.
As already described, French uses the apostrophe. Whether "de terre" or "d'terre" is irrelevant. It is written out once and shortened once.
We do the same, but rarely use an apostrophe.
Look carefully. It's not always what it looks like.
You just have to know it and understand it. And if there are 2x 8 at the beginning, you can bet that the first one is an article. Written out "de

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(04-03-2023, 11:52 PM)Ahmet Ardıç Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.When I carried out such a search, I could not find any academic article about the fact that the same authors could always write the prefixes separately and together, and this is a common situation in European manuscripts. For this reason, I would appreciate if anyone came across a separate academic article on how this detail was handled in the old written texts of European languages, and if they would share this source with me.

[I'm not sure anyone will have considered this issue significant enough to warrant writing a whole academic article specifically about it.  If it has been written about anywhere, I suspect it would be in a practical guide to transcribing handwritten sources in individual languages (such as Middle French).]

(05-03-2023, 08:59 PM)cvetkakocj@rogers.com Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi, Ahmet,

arguing whether the VM has prefixes or not, or whether prefixes can be written separately or together will not give your theory more credibility. Look at the VM text and suggest your explanation for the grammatical pattern that linguists, non-linguists, and even computers, can recognize as prefixes. You can replace  VM glyphs with any letters you want, EVA, ATA or whatever, the pattern is still the same. It is not related to the pictures, but to the grammatical structure of the language.
You cannot claim to solve the VM language if you have no explanation for this grammatical pattern. Explaining this is essential because of the large number of pre-fixed words. If you don't believe this pattern is created by prefixes, you can offer your explanation. 
I have collected some of the VM words and the number of their occurrences that clearly show the pattern of prefixes EVA o-, and qo-. This pattern has been recognized by many VM researchers as a proof of the existence of prefixes. If you think thy are not prefixes, let us know your explanation. By the way, it was your son who claimed in the second video that Turkish language has no prefixes. 
If you are asking for cooperation, I would be more than willing to offer you my explanation and translation of all the words on the list, if you can do the same. It would be interesting to compare.

Sincerely,

Cvetka

(05-03-2023, 11:53 PM)Ahmet Ardıç Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Maybe there is no material to write on this subject, what do you think?

(06-03-2023, 12:41 AM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.On topic:  Anton, those are some really creative ideas to explain the reduplication, especially the one about ordered preferencing. You're right that it would struggle to hold up against both the number and the range of reduplications, and if it were part of a "solution", it would seem special pleading.  But it is an intriguing way of providing a potential explanation for some of the pairs, and also the way some of the manuscript appears to show list-like behaviour.  I'm trying to imagine what it could be in the (possible) context of the manuscript:  ordered lists of medicines or habits to do each day?  Lists of what should be done or should not be done according to astrology? 

Another explanation - but I think less likely and covering only a couple of pairs - could be down to how we parse the pair.  e.g. when we see daiin daiin, are those truly identical, or could the "minim" glyphs represent different plain text letters?

(05-03-2023, 11:53 PM)Ahmet Ardıç Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Maybe there is no material to write on this subject, what do you think?

Off topic: I think this thread will need to be split off into a Turkish thread, the way it is going.

Ahmed, you often talk rather scathingly or at best dismissively here and in your own thread about how those who don't accept your theory, like us or the linguist reviews who refused to accept your journal article, aren't thinking scientifically or are mathematically illiterate, etc, etc.  You keep hammering home the word "science".  But on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., you said the English word "September" comes from the Turkish SERPMEK / SEPELEMEK and connected it with raining.  This is not linguistics.  This is pseudo-linguistics.  It is not a scientific approach.  It is a pseudo-scientific approach. 

If you want your theory accepted, if you want reviewers to approve your articles, you need to fix this huge problem that is at the core of your methodology.  When the methodology is rotten, the results will always been seen as tainted.  Saying you've found 100 Turkish words, 250 Turkish words, now apparently 1000 Turkish words and repeating over and over that such a coincidence is mathematically impossible is not going to bring your theory acceptance.  Especially when i) others including people on this thread have spotted lots of words in a different language (why is theirs a mathetically possible coincidence and yours a mathematically impossible coincidence?); ii) you often have to make adjustments or accommodations or make instances of special pleading to match it to Turkish, and you do not seem to analyse these; and iii) for all we know, all 1000 identifications could be like September.

(06-03-2023, 02:09 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.@Ahmet Ardıç
OK. I try to explain with many examples. Examples with words in the original and the translation.
I think most of it is easy to understand. The applications are also similar everywhere.
They write that they don't understand it. OK.
I have given enough examples, I just don't repeat them every time.

By way of repetition:
"g" as abbreviation of unus/unum
"g" is a number word = one = latin = unus/unum
As an ending it stands for singular.
As a prefix it stands for "one" the opposite of "ex" which is also a prefix.
It can also stand alone, but then I have to write it out, otherwise the translator won't understand it.

Examples of use for "unum"   test by lat.- engl. self.
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In combination "8" = de or also d'. This also applies to Latin, French, Alemannic and with di-o-de also in Italian.

You can use it, turn it, upside down, individually or in groups. It always works.

The nice thing about it is that it is not a real encryption, but it is a good application.

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