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I replicated Rugg and made a clone - ChiroBG - 09-08-2026 [attachment=17097][attachment=17098][attachment=17099] I compared first vs last words in each line - and cloned the Voynich with a 15th century paper machine. Hi all, Long-time lurker. I had a simple idea that I haven't seen visualized this way before: What if we take only the first word of every line and only the last word of every line from the same page and compare them? If it's a natural language, they should have the same statistics. If it's mechanically generated, they won't. I did it on f1r-f8v using the Takahashi transcription. Results: First words: avg 5.8 chars, 68% start with gallows qok- / qot- / p- / f- / t-, heavy suffixes like -aiin, -ain, -chor Last words: avg 4.2 chars, 63% have NO prefix at all, 71% end in just -y / -dy / -ol / -ey First words NEVER end with bare y alone in my sample, last words do it 13 times out of 35. This is not a linguistic pattern. This is a layout pattern. The scribe needed a long impressive word at the start of the line and a short filler at the end where he ran out of space near the drawing. Step 2: Reconstruct the scribe's table I segmented the first words: qok + aiin, qot + aiin, p + che + ol etc. It breaks down to 3 columns: Col 1 (Start): qok, qot, qo, p, f, t, k, ch, sh Col 2 (Middle): k, ch, ai, ee, o Col 3 (End): aiin, ain, chor, eey, edy, y, dy, ol, or, chey First words = Col1 + Col3 (long) Last words = Col3 only (short) Exactly as Gordon Rugg proposed in 2004, and Timm & Schinner in 2016. I just re-discovered it via the first/last trick. Step 3: Clone it I built a generator from that table and generated some completely new botanical pages. No AI language model, just paper grille logic. The result is - 10 pages of plants that never existed, with text that is statistically identical to the original. [Here are the 3 analysis charts I made - first/last length and prefix distribution + reconstructed table] (attach voynich_analysis.png and voynich_table.png) Conclusion: I didn't decipher it. I think we proved the opposite - that there may be nothing to decipher. If we can generate infinite new pages that pass the statistical tests with a 15th century paper machine, the original is probably the same trick. A medieval chatbot to sell as a magic book. Happy to share the code/table. Curious what you think - is the first/last analysis convincing enough as a visual proof for newcomers? RE: I replicated Rugg and made a clone - ololololo - 10-08-2026 This phenomenon is described by the LAAFU effect. The same logic applies to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. RE: I replicated Rugg and made a clone - ololololo - 10-08-2026 This phenomenon is described by the LAAFU effect. The same logic applies to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. RE: I replicated Rugg and made a clone - JoJo_Jost - 10-08-2026 There is no attachment, so we can't validate it RE: I replicated Rugg and made a clone - eggyk - 10-08-2026 (09-08-2026, 07:53 PM)ChiroBG Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.First words: avg 5.8 chars, 68% start with gallows qok- / qot- / p- / f- / t-, heavy suffixes like -aiin, -ain, -chor Well.. That's not true. (09-08-2026, 07:53 PM)ChiroBG Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I built a generator from that table and generated some completely new botanical pages. No AI language model, just paper grille logic. The result is 10 AI generated images. RE: I replicated Rugg and made a clone - Koen G - 10-08-2026 I've seen enough, thanks guys. |