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A funny coincidence with the marginalia on f116v - JustAnotherTheory - 12-07-2026
So I found this rather amusing coincidence with a part of the VMS marginalia on folio f116v:
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It's on the bottom row of page 33.
Anyway, it's most probably nothing but I found it cool.
RE: A funny coincidence with the marginalia on f116v - Aga Tentakulus - 12-07-2026
It’s important to show the whole word.
RE: A funny coincidence with the marginalia on f116v - JoJo_Jost - 12-07-2026
so we practiced on a mat... OMG!
Correct version: also on underlaß vbten
"on" = "ohne" not "auf"
and that is a not a "k" but a "ß" underlaß
also ohne Unterlaß übten = so practiced without ceasing (but "übten" is more "do it" difficult to translate into english)
RE: A funny coincidence with the marginalia on f116v - Jimmy123 - 12-07-2026
Practice on a mat?? Hahaha sorry
RE: A funny coincidence with the marginalia on f116v - JoJo_Jost - 12-07-2026
Oh, and there’s also the clue I once mentioned for the German version of “tz” regarding the 8 on page 116v: that the 8 could stand for “sz” or “tz.”
That would explain why “oladaba8” contains a proper “d” and an 8—precisely because the 8 in German can also stand for “tz” or “sz.”
Then it says “oladabaß or oladabatz” there, and of course “valtsn / valtzn” = "walzen" (flatten, roll out).
But no one wants to believe me.
and @ JustAnotherTheory
it is a good finding, but in VMS there it is: "vbren" maybe something like "verbrenn" (burn) and the other ist "vbten" = "übten" “
v” and “u” are used interchangeably.
RE: A funny coincidence with the marginalia on f116v - Aga Tentakulus - 13-07-2026
Why doesn’t the word ‘valden’ make you think of ‘falten’ (to fold)?
The little pieces of paper on which the curse was written were folded and then, in most cases, burnt.
Write, fold, burn.
RE: A funny coincidence with the marginalia on f116v - JoJo_Jost - 13-07-2026
Because there are several ways to interpret the charm —I know you see it differently
.The 8 is a Voynich symbol, so it’s actually pointless to speculate about it. It could be a d or a t, but it could also be a simplified form of the German “ß” (sz), which would mean the 8 could also represent tz, ts, or s—precisely because of the lack of spelling conventions at the time; people wrote as they spoke. In dialect, “s” quickly becomes “sz” (two sibilants)
We won’t be able to clarify “Oladaba8” for sure
“porta8” as “portat” or “portas” (or something else)—also uncertain
“valden” = “falten” (to fold)—conceivable. As “valzen” = “walzen” (to roll), also conceivable. But also uncertain.
But the third word could simply be “multos” if the last glyph—the 8—can represent an “s.” Otherwise, I can’t think of any other possibility.
In short: We don’t know what the 8 is, but as “s/sz” it has the most possibilities—that’s a good argument in its favor—
but certain not a proof... in no way.
RE: A funny coincidence with the marginalia on f116v - JustAnotherTheory - 13-07-2026
I rather believe that "8" is an abbreviation for a syllable. Quite common in MSs of that time.
RE: A funny coincidence with the marginalia on f116v - monisusa - 14-07-2026
(12-07-2026, 04:00 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
OMG!
Correct version: also on underlaß vbten
"on" = "ohne" not "auf"
and that is a not a "k" but a "ß" underlaß
also ohne Unterlaß übten = so practiced without ceasing (but "übten" is more "do it" difficult to translate into english)
Hi, JoJo_Jost. You are right. It reads: "so on underlaß vbten" ! = "so practised without ceasing".
The Umlaut "ü" was represented by character u, since in German Umlaut ä,ö, ü were not yet standardized.