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Voynich style herbs+text wrapping: BSB Cgm 728 - eggyk - 05-07-2026
I tried searching the forum, google, and the search engine and came up empty. Has this manuscript been discussed before?
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1475-1500AD
Germany SE / Austria
Southern Bavaria (based on southern bavarian dialect)
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The section from 71v-115r (scans 148-236) contains badly drawn herbs which are terribly coloured in. The text often wraps around the pictures, similar to the VMS.
(It also has an abrelenn and augst, but that's not very relevant)
RE: Voynich style herbs+text wrapping: BSB Cgm 728 - ololololo - 05-07-2026
For some reason, I found the spelling of ch to be quite similar to f116v...
As for the coloring, it's worse than in VMS. The VMS artist aimed for a variety of colors and some form of design.
RE: Voynich style herbs+text wrapping: BSB Cgm 728 - R. Sale - 05-07-2026
Always good to have as much iinfo as possible, if it is new.6
Pharmacopoeia – BSB Cgm 728
Creation
[Place unknown] Bavaria-Austria
4th quarter of the 15th century; additions from the 16th century.
Pharmacopoeia – BSB Cgm 728
Creation
[Place unknown] Bavaria-Austria
4th quarter of the 15th century; additions from the 16th century.
RE: Voynich style herbs+text wrapping: BSB Cgm 728 - eggyk - 05-07-2026
(05-07-2026, 06:46 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Always good to have as much iinfo as possible, if it is new.6
Pharmacopoeia – BSB Cgm 728
Creation
[Place unknown] Bavaria-Austria
4th quarter of the 15th century; additions from the 16th century.
Pharmacopoeia – BSB Cgm 728
Creation
[Place unknown] Bavaria-Austria
4th quarter of the 15th century; additions from the 16th century.
Thankyou! I forgot to put them under like I normally do. I've edited the OP with the info from the month name spreadsheet.
RE: Voynich style herbs+text wrapping: BSB Cgm 728 - Koen G - 05-07-2026
Interesting manuscript. When I looked for Voynich-like page layouts long ago, I certainly did not know of it, or it would have been included. This is certainly among the closest to the Herbal layout.
It also appears to make very extensive use of color annotations. If it was already discussed before, it may be in that context, otherwise it's a new addition. Often they are still visible at the top edge, half clipped off. Or just right next to the plant. There are entire phrases like "everything in green", "the flowers are yellow".
And a bunch of color terms. Different kinds of "gell", lots of "grün". And of course:
This root has something like "rot fa...", maybe some variant on "vahl", maybe a faded red?
Scan 205 has a word starting with "p", can't read it. Weis plüd?
There may be some relevance for the marginalia written at the top of f17r, which has been read as a painting instruction. "mallier aller.... " -> paint all...
This manuscript does basically that: phrases of painting instructions at the top of the page, which may include a form of "all".
RE: Voynich style herbs+text wrapping: BSB Cgm 728 - eggyk - 05-07-2026
I think so. "weis plüd". "weis" is everywhere in places with white/uncoloured areas.
On scan 175 there is (i think) an "und grün" or "and grün", with the same style d.
RE: Voynich style herbs+text wrapping: BSB Cgm 728 - Aga Tentakulus - 06-07-2026
As for yellow, that/then and green. gell = yellow
The gentian blooms blue, this one blooms white.
plut = blood and plüt = blooms.
Zum Gelb das/dann und Grün. gell=Gelb
Blau blüht der Enzian, dieser plüt weiss.
plut=Blut und plüt=blüht.
Blüht von Blüte/Blossom
RE: Voynich style herbs+text wrapping: BSB Cgm 728 - MarcoP - 06-07-2026
At least some of the plants appear to be related with the early printed herbal Gart der Gesundheit (images, text, chapter numbers)
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(This edition: 1487)
I thought the manuscript copied the printed book, but the illustrations are mirrored, so it could be the other way round, or maybe both derive from a shared source
EDIT: if I understand correctly, the Report linked in post #1 says it's copied from the printed book. I am still puzzled by the mirroring
RE: Voynich style herbs+text wrapping: BSB Cgm 728 - ReneZ - 06-07-2026
(06-07-2026, 08:19 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.EDIT: if I understand correctly, the Report linked in post #1 says it's copied from the printed book. I am still puzzled by the mirroring
If I read it correctly, the report refers to the second printed version from Augsburg. However, that may not make a difference. It also says that initial drawings are mirrored, meaning that later drawings are not.
Possibly, the manuscript illustrator may have assumed that the printed book had inverted the drawings (as would be usual) and he wanted to draw them 'correctly'. Then he got tired of that and gave up.
But that is complete guesswork from my side.
It would be nice if any drawings of Reeuwyck have survived.
RE: Voynich style herbs+text wrapping: BSB Cgm 728 - Jorge_Stolfi - 06-07-2026
(05-07-2026, 07:18 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This root has something like "rot fa...", maybe some variant on "vahl", maybe a faded red?
Did you just find the manuscript that was the Scribe's "inspiration" for page f4r?
All the best, --stolfi