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Folio reorder in the herbal section - ahalay-mahalay - 21-01-2026
Hello there,
it has been already established that the Herbal section has Herbal-A and Herbal-B dialects present, which differ in several ways (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.).
One of the significant differences is presence of "shed"/"ched"/"eed"/"edy" and others, which I used to generate the pixel maps separated by quires
The Quire 4 shows that folios 26 and 31 use Currier B,
Quire 5 has folios 33,34,39 and 40 in Currier B,
Quire 6 has folios 41,43,46 and 48 in Currier B,
Quire 7 has folios 55 and 55 in Courier B,
lastly all 4 pages of Quire 8 are in Courier B.
So those quiers were most likely reorganized, and could potentially be two quires in Courier A , and two other in Courier B, which should simplify further statistical analysis.
RE: Folio reorder in the herbal section - ahalay-mahalay - 22-01-2026
So folks, this may be interesting, but most likely it is nothing...
I arranged those pages the following way. Quires 1, 2 and 3 stay the same (30 pages)
Then go Quire W(25,27,28,29,30,32), Quire X(35,36,37,38), Quire Y(49,42,44,45,47,56), Quire Z(51,52,53,54), those are just random placements that preserve the connected folios.
That gives 41801 words of a continuous Herbal-A text across 86 pages.
Then I built a Spearman matrix of the page-to-page similarity based on the most frequent bi-grams.
So this one is interesting since it has the noticeable (and very regular) grid. The light gray noise pattern is the similarity between pages in range of 0.4-0.6 of the Spearman correlation coefficient.
The three dark lines for folios f14v, f27v, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. represent pages that are very different from the rest at 0.19.
Has anyone noticed anything like that before or is that one of those dull things that has already been reported a decade ago?
RE: Folio reorder in the herbal section - ahalay-mahalay - 24-02-2026
I found a couple interesting anomalies that I've observed by visualizing the character distribution.
This is count of letter q with a sliding window, what is interesting here is that it is almost absent from the first 4 pages, 8 out of 640, while the average would be 7 per page. This actually looks like a deliberate avoidance of it for whatever reason.
Letter m is even more interesting, it is concentrated on pages f3r, f3v, f54r, f54v, total of 59 there out of 209 total. I think that may mean a very specific term or a character, that got encoded like that.
RE: Folio reorder in the herbal section - nablator - 24-02-2026
(22-01-2026, 04:21 AM)ahalay-mahalay Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The three dark lines for folios f14v, f27v, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. represent pages that are very different from the rest at 0.19.Hello,
Has anyone noticed anything like that before or is that one of those dull things that has already been reported a decade ago?
There were some page comparisons done with various metrics...
From my notes (these are only extremely low (0-1) counts that I noticed, not an exhaustive study, and I don't have a measure of how unusual they are statistically, but zero occurrence of a frequent EVA letter like e or n is of course very unusual):
f14v: 0e 0al
f27v: 0n 1i 1q 0al 1ey
f44r: 0eo
There are two 0e pages: f14v, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and only one 0n page: f27v.
There are many (~18) 0eo pages, it's not that unusual, so there may be some other unusual frequency of bigrams that makes You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. stand out in your statistics.
No section is homogeneous for character unigram/bigram statistics, there are weird pages that stand out visibly and others that show some incongruities but the sample size of a single page is small, so deviations from the mean are often not very noticeable or significant.