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On the word "luez" in the marginalia of folio f17v - JustAnotherTheory - 16-01-2026
Many people have tried to make sense of the marginalia on folio f17v. This the relevant part I'm talking about:
I am now focusing on the middle word, "luez". This word appears in many writings of the 15th century German scribe, Nicolaus von Dinkelsbühl. Here are a few examples:
This is from the manuscript BSB Clm 14319. Here is another one, from the manuscript Tractatus de partibus paenitentiae et de VII vitiis:
As you can see, this ressembles the VMS "luez":
Could this be a match?
RE: On the word "luez" in the marginalia of folio f17v - Bernd - 16-01-2026
Can you provide links to the respective documents and where exactly to find these words?
RE: On the word "luez" in the marginalia of folio f17v - nablator - 16-01-2026
Good find. Unusual abbreviation, probably "lucem".
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RE: On the word "luez" in the marginalia of folio f17v - JustAnotherTheory - 16-01-2026
(16-01-2026, 07:12 PM)Bernd Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Can you provide links to the respective documents and where exactly to find these words?
Yes, of course, here they are (the relevant parts already highlighted):
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RE: On the word "luez" in the marginalia of folio f17v - Koen G - 16-01-2026
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I can confirm "lucem". In the clip I posted above, the line is even more concentrated on the "c3" part.
So I assume the word in the VM can be read as lucem, but only if we are willing to ignore that the first letter is "k"....
RE: On the word "luez" in the marginalia of folio f17v - JustAnotherTheory - 16-01-2026
(16-01-2026, 08:01 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So I assume the word in the VM can be read as lucem, but only if we are willing to ignore that the first letter is "k"....
Koen, I believe the first letter is a cursive lowercase "L". Look at my second example in the original post. Of course I may be wrong.
RE: On the word "luez" in the marginalia of folio f17v - MHTamdgidi_(Behrooz) - 16-01-2026
@JustAnotherTheory. That's a good one!
RE: On the word "luez" in the marginalia of folio f17v - JoJo_Jost - 16-01-2026
I would read "lucis" here, genitiv
lucis spirituale
lucis corporale
but I think it's a different word than in 17
RE: On the word "luez" in the marginalia of folio f17v - JustAnotherTheory - 17-01-2026
(16-01-2026, 09:17 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.but I think it's a different word than in 17
Thank jojo. However, wouldn't you agree that there is a very strong ressemblance to the word in the VMS?
RE: On the word "luez" in the marginalia of folio f17v - Koen G - 17-01-2026
Jojo: what is that reading based on? Did you read the context? Latin paleography is not just a guessing game.
JAT: I think "lucem" has been discussed before, but as nablator says, you found an unusually close version of it. It's the first letter of the VM word that's tricky though. You have the loop that closes, but below that is something else that's badly faded. This is usually where the difference between L and K is made. K would point to German, where "aller" is extremely frequent. But I wouldn't know what to make of "all?r lucem" in Latin. I assume it's best to keep both options open.