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“The Library of Babel” by Jorge Luis Borges (1941) - MarcoP - 14-01-2026 After many years, I re-read “The Library of Babel”, a short story by Jorge Luis Borges. English translation here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. A few passages: Borges Wrote:The universe (which others call the Library) is composed of an indefinite and perhaps infinite number of hexagonal galleries, with vast air shafts between, surrounded by very low railings. From any of the hexagons one can see, interminably, the upper and lower floors. The distribution of the galleries is invariable. Twenty shelves, five long shelves per side, cover all the sides except two. RE: “The Library of Babel” by Jorge Luis Borges (1941) - Koen G - 14-01-2026 I read a collection of Borges' stories, including this one, when I was in secondary school. It wasn't assigned reading, but just the kind of thing I liked to read myself. I had a vague recollection of this infinite library as basically a clever expansion of the "monkeys with typewriters will eventually write Shakespeare" idea. But I did not know to what extent it prefigures Voynich research! "Within a century, the language was established: a Samoyedic Lithuanian dialect of Guarani, with classical Arabian inflections. The content was also deciphered: some notions of combinative analysis, illustrated with examples of variations with unlimited repetition." This sounds like the kind of thing we would make up to parody typical Voynich solutions. I wonder what this is based on: purely Borges' idea of what such a library would lead to, or actual behavior he had observed in people at the time. RE: “The Library of Babel” by Jorge Luis Borges (1941) - MarcoP - 15-01-2026 Another interesting detail is: "[a book] made up of the letters MCV, perversely repeated from the first line to the last" - the most dramatic example of a hopelessly meaningless text has character conditional entropy equal to zero. RE: “The Library of Babel” by Jorge Luis Borges (1941) - Jorge_Stolfi - 15-01-2026 (15-01-2026, 09:50 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Another interesting detail is: "[a book] made up of the letters MCV, perversely repeated from the first line to the last" - the most dramatic example of a hopelessly meaningless text that has character conditional entropy equal to zero. To be pedantic, the average character entropy would be about 20/N bits, where N is the length of the book. The 20 bits is a guess at the size of a program that would print out that text, on the Librar'y's Official Turing Machine. All the best, --stolfi RE: “The Library of Babel” by Jorge Luis Borges (1941) - Mauro - 15-01-2026 (15-01-2026, 10:11 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(15-01-2026, 09:50 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Another interesting detail is: "[a book] made up of the letters MCV, perversely repeated from the first line to the last" - the most dramatic example of a hopelessly meaningless text that has character conditional entropy equal to zero. Should'nt Shannon 1st-order entropy be -3*(1/3*ln(1/3)) =~ 1.099, independent from the length of the book? RE: “The Library of Babel” by Jorge Luis Borges (1941) - Jorge_Stolfi - 15-01-2026 (15-01-2026, 01:27 PM)Mauro Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(15-01-2026, 10:11 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(15-01-2026, 09:50 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Another interesting detail is: "[a book] made up of the letters MCV, perversely repeated from the first line to the last" - the most dramatic example of a hopelessly meaningless text that has character conditional entropy equal to zero. The Shannon entropy of a stream of characters is how many bits you need, on average, to specify the next character. IIRC, in Borges story the alphabet was only the 26 capital Latin letters. It seems reasonable to assume that each of these letters can occur at each position in any book with the same probability, independently of the rest of the text in that book. Then the Shannon entropy per character (for any order k), will be log_2(26) = ln(26)/ln(2) = ~4.700 bits. My post above instead used the Kolmogorov information contents of a string, which is the length in bits of the shortest program that outputs the string. The exact value of the Kolmogorov "entropy" depends on choosing a "machine" which can run those programs, namely a programming language and its semantics. However, if one believes the Church/Turing hypothesis, the choice only affects the entropy value by a constant factor that depends only one the two machines. This version of "entropy" captures the intuition that a string of a thousand zeros has less information than a string of 'random' zeros and ones. It can also handle arbitrarily complicated dependencies between the letters, as long as they are computable; including dependencies that the Shannon kth-order entropy cannot see. For example, the total Kolmogorov "entropy" of the first N digits of pi is bounded by some relatively small number, independent of N, because they can be generated by an algorithm of fixed size. On the other hand, almost all strings of N letters have information contents proportional to N, because the shortest program for them will be "print '<string>'" All the best, --stolfi RE: “The Library of Babel” by Jorge Luis Borges (1941) - RadioFM - 15-01-2026 Obligatory mention: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. RE: “The Library of Babel” by Jorge Luis Borges (1941) - Mauro - 16-01-2026 (15-01-2026, 08:24 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(15-01-2026, 01:27 PM)Mauro Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(15-01-2026, 10:11 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(15-01-2026, 09:50 AM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Another interesting detail is: "[a book] made up of the letters MCV, perversely repeated from the first line to the last" - the most dramatic example of a hopelessly meaningless text that has character conditional entropy equal to zero. I agree, you were talking about a generic text (with an uniform distribution of N characters). My value of 1.099 was for the specific text mentioned by MarcoP (a continuos repeat of the characters MCV, N=3). [ps.: I use the symbol 'ln' for 'logarithm in base 2'] RE: “The Library of Babel” by Jorge Luis Borges (1941) - ReneZ - 17-01-2026 ... but Marco wrote character conditional entropy |