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CSOC Master Publication Edition (v5.0) – Structural Decode Framework - gmaranda - 07-12-2025
Hello everyone,
I am sharing a new structural analysis of the Voynich Manuscript developed using a systems-engineering framework. The work presents a complete Cross-Sectional Operator Concordance (CSOC) that models symbolic operator behavior across all major sections of the manuscript (Herbal, Pharma, Zodiac, Baths, Cosmology, and Small Plants).
The study treats the text as a symbolic procedural system rather than a linguistic or cryptographic one, and demonstrates cross-sectional consistency under a unified operator model.
DOI (Version 5):
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The publication includes:
• The full CSOC Master Edition
• Operator families and system architecture
• Convergence laws across manuscript domains
• Representative folio concordance examples
• Consolidated monograph volumes and structural atlases
Posting here for reference. I may not be active in ongoing discussion, but feedback is welcome.
— Gilles Maranda
Independent Researcher, Canada
RE: CSOC Master Publication Edition (v5.0) – Structural Decode Framework - tavie - 07-12-2025
Hi Gilles. Welcome to the forum.
This looks like you have used an LLM to produce this.
RE: CSOC Master Publication Edition (v5.0) – Structural Decode Framework - rikforto - 07-12-2025
As is custom, I would like to ask: What role did AI play in generating this document?
And, hopefully unrelated to that, can you give a plain language summary of what any of this jargon means? Or a citation to something I can read that will place it in a tradition I could learn more about?
RE: CSOC Master Publication Edition (v5.0) – Structural Decode Framework - gmaranda - 07-12-2025
Good day all,
Q: How much did AI play a role in producing this?
AI acted as a technical assistant, helping me organize, format, and compartmentalize the large amount of structural analysis I produced. The underlying ideas, system architecture, operator framework, interpretations, and the overall decode model are my own work. AI helped with efficiency and document assembly, but the methodology, reasoning, and theoretical framework were developed independently by me.
Q: Can you describe in words what this work is about?
This research proposes that the Voynich Manuscript is not written in a natural language or cipher, but is instead a symbolic procedural system. Each glyph sequence behaves like a series of operators describing stages of preparation, transformation, timing, and application in a multi-domain technical process.
The work reconstructs a complete Cross-Sectional Operator Concordance (CSOC) showing that the same operator system is consistently expressed across all manuscript sections — Herbal recipes, Pharmaceutical jars, Zodiac timing wheels, Balneological baths, Cosmological cycles, and the Small-Plant index.
The result is a unified structural model that explains the manuscript’s internal consistency as a procedural, symbolic technical manual rather than an encoded text.
RE: CSOC Master Publication Edition (v5.0) – Structural Decode Framework - gmaranda - 07-12-2025
Instead of trying to “translate” the strange symbols into words, I studied how they behave where they appear, how they repeat, and how they change in different parts of the book. What I found is that the symbols act more like steps in a procedure than like letters or words.
Different parts of the manuscript (plants, jars, zodiac wheels, bathing diagrams, etc.) all seem to follow the same set of rules, as if they were describing similar kinds of processes but in different contexts.
The document puts all of these repeating patterns together into one system. It shows:
- what each type of symbol seems to “do”
- how they combine into instructions
- how the same rules show up in every section
- and how the whole manuscript might represent a consistent technical or practical system
The Voynich Manuscript may not be a coded language at all, but a symbolic way of describing steps in making or preparing things.
RE: CSOC Master Publication Edition (v5.0) – Structural Decode Framework - Rafal - 07-12-2025
Feels a lot like AI.
And it seems similar to the solution by Christine Blackburn: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
RE: CSOC Master Publication Edition (v5.0) – Structural Decode Framework - gmaranda - 07-12-2025
During the late medieval and early Renaissance periods in Northern Italy, practical knowledge especially in areas such as herbal medicine, alchemy, cosmetics, dyeing, metallurgy, and craft production was often treated as closely guarded intellectual property. Guilds, workshops, and family lineages protected their recipes because they were tied directly to income, reputation, and competitive advantage. At the same time, the Church maintained significant control over the circulation of certain types of knowledge, especially anything that bordered on astrology, medical theory, or natural philosophy. This created a culture in which useful practical information was recorded in non-standard or semi-private symbolic systems, meant to be understood only by insiders. In such an environment, it is historically plausible that a technical manual or recipe system could be written in a symbolic or procedural notation rather than plain language, allowing specialists to preserve their methods while keeping them obscured from outsiders.
RE: CSOC Master Publication Edition (v5.0) – Structural Decode Framework - rikforto - 07-12-2025
(07-12-2025, 06:58 PM)Rafal Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Feels a lot like AI.
And it seems similar to the solution by Christine Blackburn: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Something I suspect is that a certain kind of solver is doing enough reading to know that guiding their AI towards a linguistic solution is not going to work (René's website is probably to thank, genuinely), and AI is happy to take the feedback and assign glyphs to processes. I only skimmed the files here, and they are admittedly poorly labeled, but the assignments appear to come out of thin air from what I can see, which is also a feature of Christine's system, which turned out to be due to Claude.
RE: CSOC Master Publication Edition (v5.0) – Structural Decode Framework - tavie - 07-12-2025
I'm not convinced here, and some of your replies are sounding LLMish as well. Your document doesn't seem to provide any proof as far as I can see: it seems to be a long list of assertions. Please tell us - in your own words - how you formed some of your conclusions.
RE: CSOC Master Publication Edition (v5.0) – Structural Decode Framework - bi3mw - 07-12-2025
Well, @Tavie, I don't think your wish will be granted. The thread creator has so far ignored every direct or indirect request as to whether his theory is LLM-generated or not. “Technical assistant” can mean anything and nothing. I even think this answer is generated. If the basic idea comes from the author, it should be easy for him to explain it in his own words.