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A noob needs help: A lot of questions - Kaybo - 02-11-2025
I have a lot of questions and I try to read to all of the things here. But maybe someone could help me with one or the other question I have. (If this is the wrong sub, please move it, I do not use Ask an Expert because I though that were more questions to experts in a specific field, like botanic)
1. Has anyone analyzed the vertical letters in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ? If you look at it, then its a typical schema for astrological tables and the days of the week. Like a-f, then there is a paragraph sign and it repeats. If you kick out the paragraph signs you get 23 letters, which would be an alphabet. Other letters are introduced in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. which also introduce the cz (ch) and the aiin symbol. Which could be a combination of letters and phonemes. Are there any ideas about that already?
2. On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. there are words beside 2 or 3 characters. Anyone looked for this words in the text? Or in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ? What about the words in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the zodiac signs? Did we see them often in the text?
3. The zodiac signs. Anyone has seen circle diagrams with zodiac signs in the middle elsewhere? Can the words under the signs be translated or matched to known letters?
4. Anyone has links to other foldouts at that time or a little bit later?
5. And of course I need any information that links the manuscript to Portugal (Spain) Iberian.
RE: A noob needs help: A lot of questions - Mauro - 02-11-2025
(Yesterday, 03:00 PM)Kaybo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.2. On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. there are words beside 2 or 3 characters. Anyone looked for this words in the text? Or in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ? What about the words in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the zodiac signs? Did we see them often in the text?
You can check the position of every word on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (not a perfect transliteration, but mostly good enough (it's Takahashi's one iirc))
RE: A noob needs help: A lot of questions - nablator - 02-11-2025
(Yesterday, 03:00 PM)Kaybo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.3. The zodiac signs. Anyone has seen circle diagrams with zodiac signs in the middle elsewhere? Can the words under the signs be translated or matched to known letters?
4. Anyone has links to other foldouts at that time or a little bit later?
Just type "zodiac" or "months" or "foldouts" in the Search box and you will find discussions about good parallels and words.
For example:
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RE: A noob needs help: A lot of questions - Kaybo - 02-11-2025
(Yesterday, 04:18 PM)Mauro Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(Yesterday, 03:00 PM)Kaybo Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.2. On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. there are words beside 2 or 3 characters. Anyone looked for this words in the text? Or in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ? What about the words in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and the zodiac signs? Did we see them often in the text?
You can check the position of every word on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (not a perfect transliteration, but mostly good enough (it's Takahashi's one iirc))
Thank you. Probably there is no page or resource that collects interesting findings about the manuscript. It seems everything is hidden somewhere here.
For example the word dshedy is nearly purely used at the beginning of a row. Which would indicate that rows in paragraphs have there own start and are not continued text over the paragraph. If people worked for 30 years on this manuscript, there should be a list or something with this systematic findings.
And another thing. If you look at the start of a paragraph there is always a paragraph sign, voynichese includes this paragraph signs into the word. Of cause you can't find these words nowhere else in the text. But if you delete the paragraph sign you will find these words, because the paragraph sign is not part of the word and that is some kind of obvious for me. But probably a lot of other people have found this out too, why everyone must repeat everything, no wonder there is no progress.
Edit: Just to clarify, the voynichese site is absolute great.
RE: A noob needs help: A lot of questions - MarcoP - 03-11-2025
The single most informative source is Rene Zandbergen's site voynich.nu
It's a large site and fnding things is not always easy. Anyway, the manuscript has been studied for over a century, so it's unavoidable that the volume of published observations and theories is quite large. Everything you read on voynich.nu has been carefully collected and reviewed by Rene, so searching through it is certainly worth the effort.
A simple way to search the site is adding site:voynich.nu to a google search.
Some links:
About parallels for the zodiac diagrams: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
About month names added at the bottom of the medallions: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
About line initial words like dshedy: unluckily, there's only a place-holder at the bottom of this page: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You can refer to this post by Emma May Smith: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
About characters apparently added at paragraph start: see "Grove words" here (by Jorge Stolfi):
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An excellent but now very old and partially outdated introduction: Mary D'Imperio You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (1978). It would be great to have a "revised edition", or something that could authoritatively replace it, but I don't think it exists at the moment.