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RE: 116v - Anton - 05-01-2020
That's the first paragraph, but thanks that's insightful
RE: 116v - Koen G - 05-01-2020
(05-01-2020, 10:30 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That's the first paragraph, but thanks that's insightful
I think he was working on that post while we had our discussion
It's a nice example of the implied conditional though. His English translation intuitively used "if".
Even in the case of the third paragraph, it looks like the clause before "so" presents a condition (it must be a specific day). So it seems that at least in these examples, the "so" is never gratuitous, it is always preceded by some circumstance under which the "nim" takes place.
RE: 116v - Anton - 05-01-2020
OK, I think what we can confidently conclude so far is that "so nim" versus simply "nim" serves to link the "taking part" that follows to what precedes it, irrespectively of the exact nature of the relation.
This strongly supports the idea that "palden pbren" and "so nim gas mich o" are parts of the same sentence.
What I'd like to find somewhere is "so nim" following anything containing "palden" or "balden", and look what's there in between them. This 250 page book is a soothing and pleasant reading!
RE: 116v - Aga Tentakulus - 05-01-2020
6 line from below, nice to see, and a good example:
(es in einer pfannen oder kesse(l) un tz es wirt als ein)
un tz es wirt ( nim tz as mich ) und's es wird
Again, there is no "g" and they belong together, where "es" is written here and not "as"
RE: 116v - Anton - 05-01-2020
Ah now I see what you mean. But in VMS You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. the long crossbar stretching to the right and crossing through "a" makes it a clear "g" versus "tz", in my opinion.
RE: 116v - Aga Tentakulus - 05-01-2020
A "g" always has a straight back, a "tz" a curved back. On 116 has no straight back.
There are many examples for "gog" (gotz) = god
artzny = arznei =medicine
Ein "g" hat immer einen geraden Rücken, ein "tz" einen geschwungenen Rücken. Auf 116 hat keinen geraden Rücken.
Viele Beispiele hat es bei "gog" (gotz) = gottes
artzny = arznei
RE: 116v - Aga Tentakulus - 05-01-2020
so nim gas mich o
Would mean the goat will take me, too.
But the goat do not want me.
RE: 116v - Anton - 05-01-2020
Quote:A "g" always has a straight back
Oh no, far from always.
Quote:so nim gas mich o
Would mean the goat will take me, too.
The idea is that "gas" is not "geis" as "Ziege", but the literal MHD "gas" = "gahes" = quickly, promptly.
See Lexer for that: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
RE: 116v - Koen G - 05-01-2020
Some of the g's in Anton's MS look almost identical to the VM "g".
RE: 116v - Koen G - 05-01-2020
(05-01-2020, 11:07 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The idea is that "gas" is not "geis" as "Ziege", but the literal MHD "gas" = "gahes" = quickly, promptly.
See Lexer for that: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
This is either new to me or I don't remember it, but that is very interesting. "So nim gahes mich" = then take me quickly. Perhaps in the religious sense as in God taking one's soul?