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What are the plants of f45r and f45v? - Pardis Motiee - 27-04-2021
I would like to know about the ideas that have ever existed for You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
RE: What are the plants of f45r and f45v? - davidjackson - 27-04-2021
Some old ID's collected here by Rene:
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They don't seem to have any serious identifications that I can find - both are often described as "fanciful".
RE: What are the plants of f45r and f45v? - -JKP- - 28-04-2021
They don't look fanciful to me, although the roots are a bit stylized.
Those kinds of leaves and flower/seedheads exist in nature.
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One of the characteristis of Stachys officinalis, that helps distinguish it from other mint plants, is that the leaves are more deltoid, more squared-off than many of the other mint plants. This characteristic is a bit exaggerated in the VMS, but it's the right concept. It also has very distinctive flower heads, a puffy green part with protruding pink blossoms that poke out to the sides. It spreads by rhizomes (this is also indicated in the VMS drawing).
Salvia sclarea, and Salvia pomifera (also in the mint family) have some of the same characteristics. The part of the leaf toward the stem is blunt, the flower heads poke out to the sides, the plant spreads sideways by rhizomes.
Teucrium officinalis has similar characteristics, but the florets tend to poke out between some of the leaves BUT they didn't usually drawn it this way (they traditionally drew it inaccurately with flowers all the way to the apex), so... the VMS drawing isn't entirely accurate for Teucrium BUT it is similar to medieval drawings of Teucrium in the way the flower stalks are represented.
These plant groups are all found in medieval plant books.
f45v is similar to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. which is probably in the Thyme, Kalmia, Azalia, or Andromeda groups, all of which are very similar to each other in general structure, with small narrow leaves, some of which turn red while the others are still green. The flowers/seeds are at the apex of the stems.
Thyme is moderately common in medieval plant books. One form of Thyme was called serpyllum, but the big bushy upright version was usually called Thymo or Timus. They were pretty loose with names for Thyme. Thyme always has small leaves, but its growth habit is quite variable. Some species creep along the ground, others are taller and bushy.
RE: What are the plants of f45r and f45v? - Pardis Motiee - 29-04-2021
I think plant of folio 4r is Ziziphus spina-christi or other species of Ziziphus.
RE: What are the plants of f45r and f45v? - -JKP- - 29-04-2021
Ziziphus spina-christi fruits are round, they don't have long calyxes, and they hang downward in clusters.
The You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. plant has long calyxes and is upright. Its growth habit is similar to many herbs, but not to many trees.