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RE: The use of scissors and penknife in the Voynich Manuscript - -JKP- - 08-11-2020
I just wanted to double-check. The two stubs after You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ... are they assumed to be missing folios?
RE: The use of scissors and penknife in the Voynich Manuscript - ReneZ - 08-11-2020
These are narrow strips to support the binding. There are several of them throughout the MS.
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I believe, from memory, that they are also parchment.
If they were dated, we might know when this binding was done.
That sounds interesting, but really won't help us a lot, and these tests are expensive.
RE: The use of scissors and penknife in the Voynich Manuscript - Aga Tentakulus - 08-11-2020
(08-11-2020, 09:39 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I believe, from memory, that they are also parchment.
Let me refresh your memory.
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RE: The use of scissors and penknife in the Voynich Manuscript - -JKP- - 08-11-2020
(08-11-2020, 09:39 AM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.These are narrow strips to support the binding. There are several of them throughout the MS.
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I believe, from memory, that they are also parchment.
If they were dated, we might know when this binding was done.
That sounds interesting, but really won't help us a lot, and these tests are expensive.
They are very messy. As though they were cut after they were bound in.
If they are made to support the binding, wouldn't they have been cut and trimmed before binding them in? More evenly. I'm not disputing it, it just seems out of character with the way things are generally done.
RE: The use of scissors and penknife in the Voynich Manuscript - ReneZ - 08-11-2020
(08-11-2020, 06:05 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.They are very messy. As though they were cut after they were bound in.
I think that this is impossible to judge just from the way they look.
RE: The use of scissors and penknife in the Voynich Manuscript - -JKP- - 08-11-2020
Well I can't provide any evidence that these are for anything other than to brace the manuscript, I have never seen it in person. As I said, I'm not disputing that these are support strips.
But I have done bookbinding (and numerous other crafts), and it struck me as messy. I wanted to be sure it wasn't a cut folio.
RE: The use of scissors and penknife in the Voynich Manuscript - ReneZ - 09-11-2020
They all look rather different. The one that is on the outside of the Rosettes folio is much wider and seems to include an edge of the skin.
I cannot see much difference between this parchment and that of the MS itself, but this may not mean much.
RE: The use of scissors and penknife in the Voynich Manuscript - -JKP- - 09-11-2020
That's an interesting observation. It makes one wonder if parts of the original manuscript might have been used in the support structure.
I very much wish we had a picture of the VMS binding UNDERNEATH the strip that protects the stitching on the spine. It's quite an important detail.
The wrapping of the jute (or whatever hemplike fiber was used), the way it is braided, is sometimes quite regional-specific and I have collected examples from various regions. But I can't compare them to the VMS braiding because it's not visible in any of the Beinecke binding photos.
RE: The use of scissors and penknife in the Voynich Manuscript - ReneZ - 09-11-2020
During the Folger workshop in 2014, conservators judged this to be 15th century, and Italian.
While I have wondered whether it could be a result from the Jesuit rebinding, as described here:
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the early Italian binding was still confirmed by Yale specialists.
RE: The use of scissors and penknife in the Voynich Manuscript - LisaFaginDavis - 13-11-2020
When travel restrictions are lifted in the US, I will be travelling to Yale regularly to teach and will have an opportunity to look at the VMS. I will, as part of other work, take a closer look at what's happening after f. 94 and will report back! It looks like a binding stay, but since there aren't any elsewhere in the manuscript (and you wouldn't expect binding stays in a parchment manuscript anyway), it's certainly possible that two conjoint leaves have been cut out. If there are leaves missing here, they would have had to have been removed quite early in the manuscript's history, since the foliation doesn't account for them (going straight from 94 to 95, but with, as you all know, "95" written on the verso of the right-hand panel to be visible when folded closed).