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RE: The sequence of images - Aga Tentakulus - 01-07-2020
Perhaps the connection between the herbal book and Jonah and the whale lies throughout history.
Eventually it's spat out again. It is possible that there is a path of knowledge here.
RE: The sequence of images - aStobbart - 01-07-2020
Here is an example of Jonah being swallowed by the whale, from northern France 13th century lat. 6838B (You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)
![[Image: img8476.jpg]](http://bestiary.ca/beastimage/img8476.jpg)
That's the same site I shared before.
If there is a connection between the mermaid in the VMS and the Jonah story then one has to wonder why is there a woman being swallowed
RE: The sequence of images - R. Sale - 01-07-2020
There already has been a thread on mermaids. This is not about mermaids, sirens or werewolves, so much as this is about ancestry.
Ancestry as it was viewed by one the most powerful families in central Europe at a time that coincides with the VMs parchment Carbon-14 dates.
The family maintained the story of ancestral descent from a mythical creature. Did they, did anyone, maintain descent from a mermaid? - No.
From a werewolf? Not seriously, I hope.
The first generation of Valois descendants of the French monarchy claimed ancestral descent from Melusine through the royal Luxembourg line of their mother. The significance is shown in the evidence of the Duke of Berry and maintained by the third Duke of Burgundy.
The pond illustration of VMs f79v should also be compared with the image of Harley 334 f 57, made in Paris. The Harley manuscript is also part of the VMs cosmic comparison.
Now the question can be asked as to the identity of this figure. Who or what has been represented here - in either illustration? Is it the mythical ancestress of the ruling royal dynasty? Or is it it the "I don't know" alternative? Is that really a viable alternative interpretation for the people who were contemporary with the actual, historical situation?
The question is not whether the Melusine identification is valid. The matter is more to evaluate the implications of a direct connection between Melusine and the Valois ancestry. I would argue that within the contemporary milieu, the semiotic environment, of the 1400s, the traditional interpretation is widely prevalent as seen from the 'Valois' perspective. The 'Valois' perspective covers a specific period of time and a certain geographic area. It is a general reference, with good provenance, but lacks specificity.
The following verso page, VMs You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. is the enigmatic VMs critter. One line of investigation uses the nebuly line and the Agnus Dei interpretation, in combination with the Golden Fleece. And the implications of this provide a much more decisive focus on the situation in Burgundy, which is clearly within the previous and more obvious "Valois' provenance.
Thirdly, there is the potential in the double rainbow of VMs You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. for a rather general reference to a very specific provenance in time and place - which is Dijon, the capitol city of Valois Burgundy. Is this increasingly tighter focus on a specific historical provenance actually an intentional sequence of illustrations?