(06-05-2017, 10:01 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If Stellar's cipher works, he would be able to decipher a paragraph on one of the pages without pictures.

Anyway, as I said above, that's not Latin. It's words SELECTIVELY chosen by Stellar because they are or seem to be Latin.


In other words, he's using the same method he used with gematria, CHOOSING what he thinks it's supposed to say (in terms of selecting from a list of words) rather than developing a method to actually decipher it.

(06-05-2017, 10:01 PM)coded Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I see what your saying, but maybe your we are both right and wrong.  What I mean is if you read my other bottom post.  Duke Ercole could have been privy to the Alberti cipher yet used it in Latin without the VMS glyphs for messengers which were delivered in cipher text for strategic use.  Of course both user and recipients had the cipher disks with the shift and same letters around the disk.  All that was need for the message delivered was in cipher text.  

Later on Ercole wrote a memoir and changed it to VMS like I have done on the disk and the Latin words I'm using are high frequency or low frequency which match.  Perhaps Ercole did not care to ever read his autobiography.  All speculation for now and I know you guys don't like it but traditional methods have failed and my out the box approach may prove correct.

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History 

The Ducal Palace (now Guildhall) is currently mainly property of the city of Ferrara. It was built from the XIII Century by the Estensi, lords of Ferrara since 1264, who here took up residence.
The noble palace was built in front of the Cathedral (1135), around which at the time was consolidating the centre of city power. Originally the palace was constituted of the building on via Cortevecchia and of the one in front of the Cathedral

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RE: If it feels like an Alberti Cipher it is one! - -JKP- - 07-05-2017

You do realize that there were many other buildings with Ghibelline merlons and eagle emblems in the 15th century. Once again you have to be careful to not cherry-pick the most convenient one and ignore the others.


Research is not about grabbing whatever grabs you. It's about searching out the breadth and depth of what the clues may represent.


By the way, that root might not be an eagle. If the plant is costmary, which is one of the possibilities offered by Voynich researchers, then it's possible it's an angel.

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RE: If it feels like an Alberti Cipher it is one! - coded - 08-05-2017

Hi,

I know this looks overwhelming to remotely do exactly what I have done, but the object here is to find transferable words to other folios for a grand decipherable VMS text, which I believe we need a computer for the cipher engine to speed up the decoding process.  How I achieved this was first I looked at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. for a theme and some common words like (autem) which were spaced out and repeated so that a viable text could be a fit.  Remember this is just a journey and an attempt so amendments will be needed.

(autem) is encryped like this ADDEF so use the link and decode the word practice the engine.


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LARGE OUTER RING: ABCDEFGILMNPOQRSTUXV1234
SMALL INNER  RING: ZANIHGMLEY&RPTFSVOCDUBXQ

INITIAL SHIFT=1
PERIOD INCREMENT = 1
PERIOD LENGTH = 1



War suppose for example caution to exist to conquer citadel by surrender Citadel
Siege thus towards by time surrender march toward citadel burn burn surrender
Plunder citadel towards payment soldier’s tribute fight through that strength
Stratagem about siege repeated war however slow by a burden
Certainly will another’s money fulfill men of the age                           NorthWind
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RE: If it feels like an Alberti Cipher it is one! - Koen G - 08-05-2017

Stellar, I don't understand. You say autem is always encoded like ADDEF. But isn't your alphabet supposed to shift? So how can autem always be the same word?

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RE: If it feels like an Alberti Cipher it is one! - coded - 08-05-2017

(08-05-2017, 04:53 AM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Stellar, I don't understand. You say autem is always encoded like ADDEF. But isn't your alphabet supposed to shift? So how can autem always be the same word?

The shift is unique to specific words only if you maintain the same shift through out the manuscript.  If you want to change the key to the word simply don't use 1 shift and change it to another number.  However I believe in order for the Author of the manuscript to read back his book he used the entire same shift key arrangement.  So as we build up words we could just log the same shift keys and that is why all the words can be deciphered some day.

There maybe some oddity where two VMS vords with different VMS letters could be the same Latin word, but that would be a mistake on the Author part and a very rare occurrence.

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RE: If it feels like an Alberti Cipher it is one! - coded - 08-05-2017

(08-05-2017, 04:53 AM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Stellar, I don't understand. You say autem is always encoded like ADDEF. But isn't your alphabet supposed to shift? So how can autem always be the same word?

Sorry Koen,

I was not clear and let me show you how the shift works for Autem using a 1-1-1 shift.  The shift should always increment by 1.  This is really hard to show here so feel free for later quetions.  The shift cipher text will always be the same letter sequence for a vord found.  And so that is good for building relationships with vords Latin meanings.
                           AUTEM = ADDEF
ABCDEFGILMNPOQRSTUXV1234
zanihgmley&rptfsvocdubxq

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