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RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - davidjackson - 14-06-2020
Most alchemy was developed in the renaissance. Certainly all the symbolism we associate with alchemy is post 1500's. That's when alchemy started to develop.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - Scarecrow - 15-06-2020
One interesting note from Encyclopedia Britannica about alchemy. And good reading alltogether: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
"In the 12th century the Christian West began to shed its habit of indifference or hostility to the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. literature of ancient and alien civilizations. Christian scholars were particularly attracted to Muslim Spain and Sicily and there made translations from both Arabic and Greek works, many of which were in some degree familiar, but some of which, including the literature of alchemy, were new."
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - Koen G - 15-06-2020
Still, we mostly (only?) see the VM-like type of alchemy imagery emerge in the period after the VM was made. It doesn't matter if they had access to these sources if the relevant flavor of images did not exist yet.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - nablator - 15-06-2020
(14-06-2020, 06:37 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Most alchemy was developed in the renaissance. Certainly all the symbolism we associate with alchemy is post 1500's. That's when alchemy started to develop.Do you mean post 1400? The first manuscript that I know with a profusion of symbolic imagery is dated ca. 1420, the Aurora Consurgens of Zurich You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. then there are many in the second half of the 15th century, with textual symbols that progressively got standardized.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - davidjackson - 15-06-2020
Sorry Nablator, yes I meant 15th century (*counts on fingers).
The 12 and 13th century works in Spain were mainly direct translations from the Arabic works.
We start to see the emergence of new imagery in the 1400's, but it is in the 1500's that there is an explosion of new ideas and open research into the subject.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - Scarecrow - 25-06-2020
You are right Koen about the symbolism, that began after the 14th, but that was not the thing I was referring to with my quote.
The thought I had was about the Arabic and Greek translations, and thus also their glyphs and symbols.
Now if someone had access to both language books, and decided to invent a new series of glyphs to combine/streamline two in one, the Arabic and the Greek glyphs, and maybe even position-dependent glyphs/characters as Arabic has; same characters can have different glyphs depending on the position in the vord, on the line.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - Scarecrow - 25-06-2020
.. which leads me to think Currer A as Arabic and Currer B as Greek origin, maybe saying something for the glyph differences and distribution in A and B.
And if VMS is result of collaborative work, as Lisa has well demonstrated, maybe they had multilingual group doing this and VMS is a synthesis.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - Aga Tentakulus - 24-09-2020
What I think about the cube. I have mentioned it somewhere in the margin.
I certainly consider this explanation to be a possibility.
Details in English and German.
Weinstein_en.pdf (Size: 247.79 KB / Downloads: 40)
Weinstein_de.pdf (Size: 247.57 KB / Downloads: 50)
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - bi3mw - 24-09-2020
It is also interesting to note that ( winestone ) tartar solution was used in the Middle Ages to produce azure blue:
Quote:15th century Ink recipes by Jehan le Begue ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. ).
29. To make excellent azure.—Take of sal ammoniac oz. iij., and of verdigris oz. vi., mix them together and make them into a paste with solution of tartar, and put them into a glass jar,
which you must stop up, and lute, and place in warm dung, and let it stand there for some days, and when you take it up you will find the green changed to excellent azure.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - aStobbart - 27-09-2020
Blue book in Bodmer 143 (Manuscriptorium) dated 1425-1455, France
It also features illustrations of several plants, animals and castles/towers (see You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.)