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RE: Pond creatures (f79v) - Koen G - 23-06-2020

Blasphemy!

RE: Pond creatures (f79v) - R. Sale - 24-06-2020

If the VMs creator can split months into paired parts, surely 'adding' legs to the companion critters can't be *that* serious. Appearance has changed, but quantity stays the same.

The alteration of appearance, ambiguity, thwarts identification if the only criterion is visual similarity, and the underlying reality is not properly apprehended.

RE: Pond creatures (f79v) - DONJCH - 24-06-2020

I think Koen was referencing evolution Big Grin

RE: Pond creatures (f79v) - -JKP- - 24-06-2020

LOL!   Big Grin

RE: Pond creatures (f79v) - Aga Tentakulus - 10-09-2020

        Maybe a salamander.
In the second case a fire salamander, "superstition that fire does not matter".
Museum Wien, I have no more links.

RE: Pond creatures (f79v) - Koen G - 10-09-2020

Quite similar indeed. It's hard to see the text, but from the image alone I'd say it's Byzantine. Then the script would be Greek Uncial, so an early MS.

Edit: ah, image search, it's from the Vienna Dioskurides of course
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RE: Pond creatures (f79v) - Aga Tentakulus - 10-09-2020

@Koen

Yeah, you got that right. I remembered something like Vienna.

RE: Pond creatures (f79v) - davidjackson - 27-10-2020

A half formed though on the human - fish hybrid on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
[Image: image.jpg?q=f79v-336-1459-417-390]
after I came across the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
[Image: 220px-Arms_of_the_House_of_Visconti_%281277%29.svg.png]

It was for several hundred years the heraldic symbol of theYou are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. before being adopted by the city of Milan in the 13th century, where it is still used (by the local football club and Alfa Romeo, amongst others).
[Image: 260px-IMG_3734_-_Milano_-_Stemma_viscont...n-2007.jpg]

Just thought I'd throw it out there as a possible angle of investigation for the Italian speakers. I'm idly wondering if we could draw up some sort of encoded story of the city states of Italy being here, with the Papacy above, some city indicated with a ring below, then Milan... with the power flowing through them.

RE: Pond creatures (f79v) - -JKP- - 27-10-2020

I think it's worth considering. The animal is different, but the idea might be related.

This also came up when we were discussing the sunburst plant (the one with a rayed edge and small text-like chars in the middle). Koen suggested the marks in the middle might be IHS and that led me to the snake symbol, based on the shape of the marks.

RE: Pond creatures (f79v) - Koen G - 27-10-2020

Looking at them side by side though, I'd say one thing that's certain about the VM composition's animal part is that it is an aquatic creature; there are various fins along the body and the tail-end is fish-like as well. The biscione is terrestrial, according to the Wiki it even means grass-snake, though I don't know if this was still understood.

I agree that it is much more like a person inside the mouth of an animal (as opposed to a mermaid-like creature) but the animal is an aquatic one.