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RE: [split] Darker ink, retracing of text and drawings - Aga Tentakulus - 08-06-2025
Thanks, Rene.
I think that in sample 20, the burnt earth (Sienna) contrasts with the red colour.
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Let's call it a hint.
RE: Pisces (Folio 70v) and the New Year on the 1st of March in the Republic of Venice - Mauro - 08-06-2025
(06-06-2025, 10:11 AM)Hider Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(06-06-2025, 08:27 AM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This word that shows clear obvious retracing/correction is the first word of this block of text. And it is very obviously retraced/touched up. Nowhere else in this block I can see anything similar.
There is reason to believe that because of the large number of errors in the first sentence, the author was suspended from working on the cipher. Further writing was done by another author who had his own ink (dark).
And the reason is... ? Or is it just an ad-hoc hypothesis?
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RE: Pisces (Folio 70v) and the New Year on the 1st of March in the Republic of Venice - Hider - 08-06-2025
(08-06-2025, 08:52 AM)Mauro Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And the reason is... ? Or is it just an ad-hoc hypothesis?The study is not yet complete. Not all tables are filled with encryption symbols that form ligatures.
PS.: don't assume everybody can/wants to access Facebook. I don't.
Ligatures can have different imitations. Usually these are images of EVA glyphs, but there may be other images.
For example, the inscriptions of assembly numbers in the lower right corner of the last sheet have different forms.
Apparently, these inscriptions were added by teenagers. The ligatures in uneven handwriting depict numbers (F16v, F24v, F32v, F40v, (F57v ligature is written by a professional), F66v, F84v, F86v3, F90v1, F70v, F102v), a tent with a fire (F96v), a snake (F8v, F56v, F70v, F72v), an elephant (F67r1), a bird holding something in its beak (F8v), a battle of knights (F48v), an assault on a fortress wall (F56v), etc.
The ligatures on sheet You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. are an imitation of the Latin font.
RE: Pisces (Folio 70v) and the New Year on the 1st of March in the Republic of Venice - Mauro - 08-06-2025
(08-06-2025, 11:00 AM)Hider Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(08-06-2025, 08:52 AM)Mauro Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And the reason is... ? Or is it just an ad-hoc hypothesis?The study is not yet complete. Not all tables are filled with encryption symbols that form ligatures.
PS.: don't assume everybody can/wants to access Facebook. I don't.
Ligatures can have different imitations. Usually these are images of EVA glyphs, but there may be other images.
For example, the inscriptions of assembly numbers in the lower right corner of the last sheet have different forms.
Apparently, these inscriptions were added by teenagers. The ligatures in uneven handwriting depict numbers (F16v, F24v, F32v, F40v, (F57v ligature is written by a professional), F66v, F84v, F86v3, F90v1, F70v, F102v), a tent with a fire (F96v), a snake (F8v, F56v, F70v, F72v), an elephant (F67r1), a bird holding something in its beak (F8v), a battle of knights (F48v), an assault on a fortress wall (F56v), etc.
The ligatures on sheet You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. are an imitation of the Latin font.
What has all this got to do with what you affirmed: "There is reason to believe that because of the large number of errors in the first sentence, the author was suspended from working on the cipher. Further writing was done by another author who had his own ink (dark)."? You gave no reasons at all. But I'll stop asking here, I don't want to drift too off-topic. Sorry.
RE: Pisces (Folio 70v) and the New Year on the 1st of March in the Republic of Venice - Hider - 08-06-2025
(08-06-2025, 11:45 AM)Mauro Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What has all this got to do with what you affirmed: "There is reason to believe that because of the large number of errors in the first sentence, the author was suspended from working on the cipher. Further writing was done by another author who had his own ink (dark)."? You gave no reasons at all. But I'll stop asking here, I don't want to drift too off-topic. Sorry.A large group of authors took part in writing the manuscript. Some mastered the intricate code perfectly, some were students. Students always make mistakes, and their teachers correct them.
RE: Pisces (Folio 70v) and the New Year on the 1st of March in the Republic of Venice - Mauro - 08-06-2025
(08-06-2025, 11:58 AM)Hider Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(08-06-2025, 11:45 AM)Mauro Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What has all this got to do with what you affirmed: "There is reason to believe that because of the large number of errors in the first sentence, the author was suspended from working on the cipher. Further writing was done by another author who had his own ink (dark)."? You gave no reasons at all. But I'll stop asking here, I don't want to drift too off-topic. Sorry.A large group of authors took part in writing the manuscript. Some mastered the intricate code perfectly, some were students. Students always make mistakes, and their teachers correct them.
So, without evidence, it's indeed an ad-hoc hypothesis [You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.]. More than one, actually, considering your last post.
RE: [split] Darker ink, retracing of text and drawings - Koen G - 08-06-2025
Let's try to keep distracting ad-hoc hypotheses out of unrelated discussions.
Retracing on f70v1 (Dark Aries, Ares 1) - Jorge_Stolfi - 10-09-2025
I have been trying to unravel the retracing history of page f70v1 (Dark Aries, Ares 1).
The most dramatic case that I can see with my pareidolioscope is the inner band nymph at 10:30. The "robot tentacle" arm that she is holding her star with is clearly spurious. One can see the original outline of the left arm making a smooth 180 degree arc under that tentacle.
That curve is anatomically absurd but consistent with the anatomical absurdities in the other nymphs, such as the double elbow of the outer nymph at 07:30. That "original" left arm, like the left arms of 10 of the other 14 nymphs on this page, is tucked inside the tub.
Moreover, all the other nymphs on this page (which I think it is the earliest one with nymphs in the whole VMS) still have their Trump signature pubic area prudely hidden inside the tubs. I conclude that the details of that nymphs below her belly, whatever they were supposed to be, are bogus "enhancements" by the Retracer, too. The original drawing probably had just the (contorted and ungainly) torso emerging from the tub.
All the best, --jorge
RE: Retracing on f70v1 (Dark Aries, Ares 1) - Jorge_Stolfi - 11-09-2025
What I see here:
A "Robot tentacle" added by Retracer
B Original lower/left outline of left arm
C Original upper/right outline of left arm
D Spurious nymph outline added by Retracer
E Spurious details added by Retracer
All the best, --jorge
RE: [split] Darker ink, retracing of text and drawings - R. Sale - 11-09-2025
All that extra work - and no boobs?