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RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout - Dobri - 30-04-2025
I am not in a hurry to provide a 'solution'. I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout - oshfdk - 30-04-2025
(6 hours ago)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The suprascript letter 'm' in the cipher manuscript is written on a larger area than the regular tiny suprascript and this explain the differences.
Or it is a completely different symbol, which would also explain the difference.
(6 hours ago)Dobri Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Here the attempt is not to interpret various Voynichese symbols as Latin letters. The effort is to investigate why two paragraphs in the very first folio You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. start with Latin letters (being prefixes of the two initial vords?) and how this could help identifying some cipher symbols as distinct letters, ligatures or abbreviations.
There are literally hundreds of characters on You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. what resemble Latin letters. p and f do resemble embellished Latin P, e is indistinguishable from Latin c, o a and i look quite similar to their Latin counterparts. l looks exactly like contemporary XV century number 4. q d y won't look out of place in some types of medieval writing. r and s can be interpreted as some Latin letters. And it's possible to explain the difference in how they look by the tiny area that they take on the page, since the letters are quite small.
I'm not saying your idea is necessarily wrong. I simply don't see enough justification to conclude that it's very likely Beneventan, based just on the similarity of a few scattered shapes. If you find more, maybe it will look more convincing.
RE: Origin of the Shield Shape in the Solar Folio of the f85-86 Foldout - oshfdk - 30-04-2025
(9 hours ago)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'd agree with you if it weren't for the fact that qualifying for the list effectively means death in terms of Voynich research. Solvers fall into the big hole and they don't climb back out again. They are irrevocably wedded to their conclusions and don't change their minds, so they have closed the door to finding the actual solution (assuming one exists). It's a giant, massive trap that people should be warned about again and again.
I don't think discouraging people from publishing their complete solutions helps Voynich research either. It's quite possible that among the solutions already on the list there are a few that got some of the details right. Who knows. And someone looking through them might have an aha moment. If people stop proposing solutions out of fear of getting on the list, some of their insights will likely left unsaid. I think I have seen examples where a completely unrealistic solution attempt included a few unexpected and intriguing observations. The very necessity to publish a complete piece of a solution as opposed to some rambling remarks here and there, may make the author think a bit deeper.