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RE: The claimed Voynich page - oshfdk - 12-03-2026

(12-03-2026, 11:11 AM)eggyk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Depending on my exact lines, I got ~9.5% height difference, and ~7.5% width difference. The exact numbers depended on the exact rotation and choice of where to draw the boundaries. A stray word, longer space or including downwards tails/flourishes somewhere skews the numbers slightly. Using the top loops of the p and the top crossbar of the p makes a difference etc etc 

But the copy is always clearly smaller than the VMS.

I was measuring the width difference of the text, ignoring the picture. I think if we assume that one document as a whole (ignoring the extra leaf and the roots) is a projection of the other, it should be easy to find the best transformation by marking a few points on both and solving some linear equations, but I'm not very experienced in this.

RE: The claimed Voynich page - MarcoP - 12-03-2026

The AG seal is very interesting. It looks late 19th century to me, though of course it could be later.
I have been unable to find that exact design

   

RE: The claimed Voynich page - tavie - 12-03-2026

This family-run business sells "Victorian style" wax seals with a similar design:  Design 1 at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   
Might be worth asking where they sourced that design from to see if we can confirm that it is Victorian.

RE: The claimed Voynich page - MarcoP - 12-03-2026

Good catch, Tavi! This model from the same site could be even closer. See the rounded bottom loop of A, and the tip of A

   

RE: The claimed Voynich page - Koen G - 12-03-2026

Wow, that's exactly the same one, isn't it? If you don't mind, I will contact the company to ask if they have any more information.

RE: The claimed Voynich page - eggyk - 12-03-2026

(12-03-2026, 04:17 PM)MarcoP Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Good catch, Tavi! This model from the same site could be even closer. See the rounded bottom loop of A, and the tip of A

Its not just close, it looks like an exact match, right?

I don't see a single detail that differs between the two.

RE: The claimed Voynich page - Fabrizio Salani - 12-03-2026

(12-03-2026, 03:23 PM)tavie Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This family-run business sells "Victorian style" wax seals with a similar design:  Design 1 at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.   
Might be worth asking where they sourced that design from to see if we can confirm that it is Victorian.
It might be the same English company I contacted several years ago (but I don't remember exactly), and a kind lady replied that it was an old seal design they had in their archives, but they had never produced any of that type, especially not 1.5 cm ones. She didn't offer any further explanation.

RE: The claimed Voynich page - Fabrizio Salani - 12-03-2026

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Ottima cattura, Tavi! Questo modello dello stesso sito potrebbe essere ancora più simile. Guarda l'anello inferiore arrotondato di A e la punta di A.
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Non è solo simile, sembra addirittura una corrispondenza esatta, giusto?

Non vedo alcun dettaglio che differisca tra i due.
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It's really very similar but not identical: the upper part of the G and the A are intertwined in reverse, there are gaps separating the intertwining letters, and the G appears more squashed, but perhaps it's just a perspective flaw. It could be a variant.

RE: The claimed Voynich page - Koen G - 12-03-2026

(12-03-2026, 07:37 PM)Fabrizio Salani Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's really very similar but not identical: the upper part of the G and the A are intertwined in reverse, there are gaps separating the intertwining letters, and the G appears more squashed, but perhaps it's just a perspective flaw. It could be a variant.

You are right, there is certainly a difference in the way G and A are intertwined. For the other points you mention, I am not certain. This is because the product is a mockup image with bevel/emboss - it's hard to see where exactly the borders of the lines are because of the black shadows. 

Also, to show the design as it would appear on wax, it needs to be mirrored in the mockup. Maybe this horizontal flipping, at some point, resulted in the top mixup.

I emailed the company, though I'm not sure if they will have anything more to say. Will keep you posted.

RE: The claimed Voynich page - ReneZ - 12-03-2026

See also You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in another thread.