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RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - MarcoP - 13-08-2026 Based on the printed text. The squares at the top are indeed “orti=gardens.” The lower part (much less clear) could be "fosse zoè la garza" “moat, that is, the Garza (torrent).” (la Garza li core in loco di fosse da una banda) I understand that the drawing is about the Castello. RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - Pierre Dumont Himself - 13-08-2026 The Garza used to flow along the Via San Faustino and next to the main squares, which were once centers of industrial and commerical activity by the river. The 1184-6 wall was built along the Via delle Battaglie to protect this area. The Garza later functioned as a moat of the Cittadella Nuova. You can see it clearly on this map from 1470, originially in the Ms. H.V.5, or Book of Privileges, now preserved separately. ![]() The internal walls were demolished by the Venetians in the early 16th century. The Garza was diverted at the same time, and the squares were built soon afterward. RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - eggyk - 14-08-2026 Hi Pierre, In one of the sources you provided in the zodiac collection thread (thanks by the way!), there are some swallowtail merlons visible in one of the damaged parts of the fresco. Palazzo Schifanoia - Salone dei Mesi Created by Borso d'Este Italy, Ferrara 1468-1470AD You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Apologies if you already added it, I didn't see it on the map
RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - Pierre Dumont Himself - 14-08-2026 I know, but our cut-off date in 1450. Renaissance art, which became widespread after that date, is quite unlike Gothic art, even in its late forms. Compare these frescoes with the Cycle of the Months at Buonconsiglio, which was close to the peak of Internatonal Gothic art. RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - eggyk - 14-08-2026 (14-08-2026, 10:28 AM)Pierre Dumont Himself Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I know, but our cut-off date in 1450. Renaissance art, which became widespread after that date, is quite unlike Gothic art, even in its late forms. Compare these frescoes with the Cycle of the Months at Buonconsiglio, which was close to the peak of Internatonal Gothic art. Oops, I forgot about the date cutoff. Sorry! RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - Pierre Dumont Himself - 17-08-2026 A quick detour through Val d’Aosta, where the Castle of Saint-Pierre is about to be wiped off the map: Quote:Frutto di profonde e intense trasformazioni, avvenute prevalentemente nell’ultimo venticinquennio del XIX secolo, il castello appare oggi rivestito da una corona di merli e torrette, tipiche di un gusto prettamente neogotico. La sua storia millenaria è rintracciabile nelle innumerevoli imperfezioni, nelle varie anomalie e nelle diverse tessiture murarie che emergono in vari punti della sua articola- zione strutturale. Ciò che oggi osserviamo del castello è certamente molto diverso da quanto doveva esistere nel corso del Medioevo e del tardo Medioevo. Quasi tutto il complesso, che ora si sviluppa sul lato nord dell’altura, sembra essere frutto di ediicazioni successive poiché i vani abitativi più antichi dovevano occupare tutta la fascia esposta a sud verso la chiesa.M. CORTELAZZO, Prime forme d'incastellamento tra X e XIII secolo, in G. SARTORIO - M. CORTELAZZO, Dai fasti alle demolizioni. Una rilettura archeologica del Castello di Saint-Pierre (AO), in «Bollettino della Soprintendenza per i beni e le attività culturali», 11, [2014], Aosta 2015, p. 70. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Quote:Di fatto l’intervento dovette essere relativamente contenuto, limitandosi all’apposizione di alcuni elementi che avrebbero tuttavia cambiato in modo radicale la fsionomia del castello e il suo rapporto con il paesaggio. Il torrione, coperto origi- nariamente da un tetto a quattro spioventi, viene dotato di un coronamento a fnte caditoie e, agli angoli, di quattro aguzze torrette pensili circolari collegate da un camminamento; una torretta di forma analoga, cilindrica e con tettuccio a cono, è collocata all’angolo sud-ovest del parapetto del giardino; infne viene aggiunta la merlatura a coda di rondine sulle mura di cinta, sulla torre del viret e sul corpo di fabbrica della Sala del trono. All’invenzione dei “belfredi” – le torrette circolari – Boggio accosta dettagli desunti dalla tradizione architettonica locale, valdostana e canavesana, di cui era un attento conoscitore, come il fregio laterizio a triangoli rovesciati sotto il cornicione dell’edifcio orientale con la Sala del trono e i merli a coda di rondine in mattone. Il confronto con le tavole che illustrano la trattazione su Torri, case e castelli nel Canavese (1890) mostra a questo proposito puntuali coincidenze con il castello di Montalto, di cui lo stesso Boggio progettò il restauro nel 1884.Sandra Barberi, Il restauro e il riallestimento del castello di Saint-Pierre nell'Ottocento in 2020, Bulletin de l'Académie Saint-Anselme d'Aoste, n.s., XIX, p. 285. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Interestingy enough, this paper provides a direct link between the works at Saint-Pierre and the early 19th-century preußische Burgromantik, which inspired the reconstruction of many castles along the Rhine. Two drawings from the middle of the century: ![]() Pietro Piana, Charles Watkins & Ross Balzaretti (2018). Art and landscape history: British artists in nineteenth-century Val d’Aosta (north-west Italy), Landscape History, 39:2, p. 99. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. 91-108 _______________________________________________ I’ve also checked the other castles, and they all look good. RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - DG97EEB - 23-08-2026 This one from a lovely La Sfera You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Edit: btw, this is supposed to be the tower of Babel, linking back to the other Ninja discussion... also interesting, La Sfera project, which has been covered previously details all pages and it's possible to see all the versions of this tower .. as far as I can see form the 33 dogitsed manuscripts, this is the only one with Swallowtail Merlons You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - Linda - 23-08-2026 Thanks! I hadn't seen that one before! This one has swallowtail melons also, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of Paris. Bibliothèque de l'Arsenal, Ms-8536 You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. Which can also be seen here You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - DG97EEB - 23-08-2026 (23-08-2026, 03:45 PM)Linda Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks! I hadn't seen that one before! Ah yes, super.. and some dragons as well.. RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - Linda - 23-08-2026 Found another You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. page 193:192 From Library: Florence - Biblioteca nazionale centrale di Firenze Shelfmark: II.II.62 And this one, not from Da Sfera, but from De Re Militari by Valturio but I think it is probably too late. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. |