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RE: Who is even still working on a solution for the VMS? - nablator - 19-06-2026
(19-06-2026, 08:39 AM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Who doesn't believe, once they've found a starting point and are working on a solution, that he is on the right track????
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., with its long-lasting production of endorphins, is hard to overcome but it is possible.
RE: Who is even still working on a solution for the VMS? - oshfdk - 19-06-2026
(19-06-2026, 09:14 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., with its long-lasting production of endorphins, is hard to overcome but it is possible.
Is there a chance that one million endorphin infused solvers randomly typing on the keyboards would solve the manuscript though?
RE: Who is even still working on a solution for the VMS? - Koen G - 19-06-2026
I'd say a 100% chance, given enough time
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RE: Who is even still working on a solution for the VMS? - ololololo - 19-06-2026
(19-06-2026, 09:37 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'd say a 100% chance, given enough timeLike the infinite monkey theorem, we don't have that much time...
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RE: Who is even still working on a solution for the VMS? - Barbrey - 19-06-2026
I am in terms of the images. I’m working on two scholarly essays right now, one of which focuses on the rosettes pages as a multi-layered, polysemous but nevertheless harmonious and comprehensible cosmology situated at the nexus of Christo-alchemical thought with a heretical bent in terms of Fiore’s belief in a coming Age of the Holy Spirit. It turned out to be a fiendishly clever diagram; I hope it lays to rest any ideas that the manuscript is nonsensical or that there is nothing to find in the script.
RE: Who is even still working on a solution for the VMS? - JoJo_Jost - 19-06-2026
(19-06-2026, 09:14 AM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(19-06-2026, 08:39 AM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Who doesn't believe, once they've found a starting point and are working on a solution, that he is on the right track????
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view., with its long-lasting production of endorphins, is hard to overcome but it is possible.
I honestly hope this keeps up for a while longer… it stimulates the mind, you learn an incredible amount in the process, and it’s just plain fun… If I stop solving the most complex puzzles, I’ll stop living… because I’ve been doing this for over 30 years… usually, and so far successfully—let’s see if this VMS puzzle can beat me. But I don’t think so.
RE: Who is even still working on a solution for the VMS? - JustAnotherTheory - 19-06-2026
(16-06-2026, 10:15 PM)quimqu Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.But reproducing the structural patterns of the manuscript is much harder.
Does your method generate these structural features as well?
Yes, it does!
I'll try to finish the write-up as soon as possible and make a post in the "Theories" section.
RE: Who is even still working on a solution for the VMS? - JoJo_Jost - 19-06-2026
Sorry, but what's that supposed to prove? I can even encrypt a real text using a cipher in such a way that it ends up looking very similar to VMS....
RE: Who is even still working on a solution for the VMS? - JustAnotherTheory - 19-06-2026
(19-06-2026, 04:32 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Sorry, but what's that supposed to prove? I can even encrypt a real text using a cipher in such a way that it ends up looking very similar to VMS....
Wow, that's amazing! Can you share that please?
RE: Who is even still working on a solution for the VMS? - JoJo_Jost - 19-06-2026
The logic and theory behind it is simple.
The VMS has a highly structured, specialized architecture:
First, I use an in-depth frequency analysis of this language and the VMS to assign one—or, in this case, multiple—meanings to specific VMS morphemes within its structure and architecture, meanings that reasonably align with the frequencies of the other language. To this end, I apply a few rules that sort these morphemes according to VMS logic to ensure its repetitive nature: Furthermore, I need 7 rules to distribute spaces to specific end markers that best match 7 end markers, a few line-start glyphs and line-end glyphs, and I determine the word lengths according to another pattern or with a certain degree of randomness; then, in theory, I should actually be able to generate a VMS-like text using the real language.
Since morphemes in normal languages are also highly repetitive, I can replicate the core structure of VMS with some adaptation—since the structure of VMS will be much steeper than that of the language, I naturally need a distribution that assigns some morphemes from the other language to the few morphemes in VMS. So you’re going from a lot of information to very little information. You’re compressing. And compression toward less diversity is always feasible.
To generate the high Happax rate, I don’t encode individual words but rather these very morphemes, and as mentioned above, I split the words at specific “morpheme boundaries” that I define in advance according to the VMS logic.
Of course, this works better with a slightly more sophisticated cipher optimized for the VMS.
But what did I do instead? I adapted the language to the structure of the VMS. Of course, I could also do this with a Markov generator—and, in fact, in any way I choose. The more finely I do this, the more rules I use, the more stable it would become—but also the more nonsensical...
I managed to do this with very simple rules because I utilized the structure of the VMS on a different level, but that doesn’t prove anything.