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RE: Wherefore art thou, aberil? - Jorge_Stolfi - 22-01-2026
(22-01-2026, 07:18 AM)Zauriek Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.1. They are different: b)Unintentional: I) Mistakes: Ia) Scribe 2 Scribe 1
There was only one scribe. Besides the consistent handwriting, those month names were written after the Zodiac section was completed, hence almost certainly in a single setting. Then why would there be multiple scribes involved?
One possibility is that the owner of the manuscript at the time (the Author, his boss or patron, his client, some later owner, etc) wrote the names that he wanted for each page on a piece of paper, or in pencil on the page itself, and gave it to a scribe. The scribe did not know the language of those names, and struggled to read the Owner's handwriting. He did not realize that the two Aries were the same month, so each time he copied the month name with slight variations.
Maybe...
All the best, --stolfi
RE: Wherefore art thou, aberil? - nablator - 22-01-2026
The two "aberil" are the same: The "e" was written in two often well separate strokes: the upper part is not a diacritic. It's unusual to have a large separation, but it happens.
The circumflex accent over y was meant to distinguish ij from y: not hugely important especially when the word is repeated. Doesn't matter much if it is missing.
RE: Wherefore art thou, aberil? - Koen G - 22-01-2026
It took me a long time to understand what was going on with the "e" in this script, but it's exactly as nablator says. I tried to draw what's going on in this post, which may hopefully clarify some things:
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RE: Wherefore art thou, aberil? - Zauriek - 26-01-2026
@Jorge_Stolfi interesting idea, this makes me think also on circumstantial causes like insomnia. Lots of possibilities. This approach need constraints that narrow it down. And about the: more than 1 scribe; is just to expand the pool. I don't have proof of a second scribe in the month names (Just thought some names looks like retraced by other hand); By being just 1 makes it all more testable.
@nablator @Koen G thanks, i understand better now.
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Tried to give it a go, searching for the "aberil" in random manuscripts, but couldn't find anything, i was even tracing variants like "ala-ril" and nothing. What is the best language to search for "aberil"? is it French?
RE: Wherefore art thou, aberil? - Doireannjane - 26-01-2026
So why isn’t the Celtic script being discussed with the months that are clearly written partially in Celtic lettering?
RE: Wherefore art thou, aberil? - R. Sale - 26-01-2026
If a Celtic script was used, why not Celtic names for the months?
RE: Wherefore art thou, aberil? - Doireannjane - 26-01-2026
They said I’m not allowed to talk about my theory on the forum unless it’s in my own thread.
RE: Wherefore art thou, aberil? - Koen G - 26-01-2026
(26-01-2026, 03:46 AM)Zauriek Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Tried to give it a go, searching for the "aberil" in random manuscripts, but couldn't find anything, i was even tracing variants like "ala-ril" and nothing. What is the best language to search for "aberil"? is it French?
As far as I'm aware, the exact form "aberil" hasn't been found yet, unless I'm missing something in the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.. (In which case, please let me know).
We're basically looking for two properties there:
* "b" instead of "p"
* insertion of vowel before "r"
When you focus on just one of those, various areas give some results. For example, I noticed that when looking for "augst", a lot of German MSS turned up, and those often had forms like "abriil", "abrille" etc. (Many different spellings). As shown, "b" occurs in Occitan as well, perhaps influenced by Spanish?
Vowel insertion is most often "u", so something like "apuril". A quick glance at the spreadsheet suggests that this may be more common in more northern French dialects.
RE: Wherefore art thou, aberil? - nablator - 26-01-2026
(26-01-2026, 09:49 AM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.As far as I'm aware, the exact form "aberil" hasn't been found yet,
Glarus (Switzerland) but no date/manuscript: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
It's a German-speaking area, so the other months don't match well.
RE: Wherefore art thou, aberil? - Doireannjane - 26-01-2026
For the “April” goats “a” is an inflection in some languages or meaning “of” or “from”. I read “of/from Beryl” Look at the color choices resembling Beryl. The other similar page “of/from Beetal(goat)/Betal(leaf)” play on words. Makes more sense with what we actually are looking at. Refraction is a fascinating thing. If something is written in a multicultural way (throughout the text not just the “months”) you have to read it in a multicultural way. A multicultural lens. Weren’t the eyeglasses invented in Italy with Beryl?