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RE: Historically significant events in Europe between 1404 and 1438 - Mark Knowles - 20-01-2021
(20-01-2021, 06:39 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There's no real reason why you shouldn't include events that occurred at the end of the 14th century, which may well have been formative in the upbringing and formative student days of the scribes.
There is plenty of sense in what you say. However my only concern is that one can push back the date inexorably. The thing about history is of course that what happened before leads to what happened next. So the events of the 15th are inevitably dependent on the events of the 14th century which are inevitably dependent on the events of the 13th and ... dependent on the events when the first humans left Africa ......
This would lead us to consider the timeline from the Big Bang until 1438, but that is unmanageable I think.
One could argue that 1354 to 1438 would be a better range.
However I think despite its shortcomings the date range 1404 to 1438 seems the least arbitrary given that those are the dates given to us from the carbon dating with 95% confidence.
RE: Historically significant events in Europe between 1404 and 1438 - R. Sale - 21-01-2021
Prior events will certainly have a formative influence. There is also the example of the inclusion of historical information in the VMs that is much earlier than the parchment dates. Specifically I refer to the origins within the Catholic church for the use of the cardinals' red galero. This occurred c 1245. Or the influence of the ancestral mythology of Melusine which can be hard to date.
As a major artistic influence early in this era, there is Christine de Pizan.
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Her Valois connections are known. However, in addition, several original texts *in her hand* are included in the KBR Library. An interesting connection with the VMs is with the four versions of the nine Muses bathing.
A couple events later in the time span:
1430 Order of the Golden Fleece
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1434 La Sainte Hostie de Dijon
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Later events also explain how and why these significant, original events have subsequently faded from the historical narrative.
RE: Historically significant events in Europe between 1404 and 1438 - Mark Knowles - 21-01-2021
From 1404 to 1416
Ferdinand I was king of Aragon, Valencia, Majorca, Sardinia, Corsica and Sicily, Duke of Athens and Neopatria, and Count of Barcelona, Roussillon, Cerdanya and Regent of Castile
From 1416 to 1438
Alfonso the Magnanimous was the King of Aragon, Valencia, Majorca, Sardinia, Corsica, Sicily and Count of Barcelona
Thinking about it I don't deeply understand what made the Holy Roman Emperor and what it really meant to be Holy Roman Emperor. There are significant periods of time when there was no Holy Roman Emperor such as prior to Sigismund. Was it that when an individual was deemed to be ruler of a large enough number of states they became Holy Roman Emperor? Although I think they needed to Pope to sign off on this. Or was it specific states that they need to rule in order to be Holy Roman Emperor? Did being Holy Roman Emperor just mean that they had more status and therefore more influence as a result? Did an individual declare themselves Holy Roman Emperor and then expect the Pope and others to sign off on it? It seems that the Holy Roman Emperor was associated with Germanic territories, but was that incidental?
RE: Historically significant events in Europe between 1404 and 1438 - R. Sale - 21-01-2021
Clio will have to speak for herself.
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However, in the C-14 years Sigismund died in 1437. Earlier he was Sigismund of Luxembourg, son of Charles IV, and grandson of John the Blind, connected to the Luxembourg version of the Myth of Melusine. The Valois mythology also connects to the mermaid version of Melusine through Bonne of Luxembourg, a daughter of John the Blind.
RE: Historically significant events in Europe between 1404 and 1438 - Mark Knowles - 21-01-2021
(21-01-2021, 08:53 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Clio will have to speak for herself.
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However, in the C-14 years Sigismund died in 1437. Earlier he was Sigismund of Luxembourg, son of Charles IV, and grandson of John the Blind, connected to the Luxembourg version of the Myth of Melusine. The Valois mythology also connects to the mermaid version of Melusine through Bonne of Luxembourg, a daughter of John the Blind.
It is true that the page you suggest is an obvious starting point.
I quote: "The dynastic office of Holy Roman Emperor was traditionally elective through the mostly German prince-electors, the highest-ranking noblemen of the empire; they would elect one of their peers as 'King of the Romans' to be crowned emperor by the Pope"
"The empire never achieved the extent of political unification being instead a decentralized, limited elective monarchy composed of hundreds of sub-units: kingdoms, principalities, duchies, counties, prince-bishoprics, Free Imperial Cities, and other domains.The power of the emperor was limited, and while the various princes, lords, bishops, and cities of the empire were vassals who owed the emperor their allegiance, they also possessed an extent of privileges that gave them de facto independence within their territories."
RE: Historically significant events in Europe between 1404 and 1438 - davidjackson - 21-01-2021
From the late 12th century onwards it was a "first amongst equals" position, the princes of eastern and central Europe would vote in a new Holy Roman Emperor.
The position was the continuation of the Roman Western Empire, you will remember that the Eastern Empire developed into the Byzantine. The position was in abeyance until the 9th century when the Franks resurrected it, at first as a dynastic title and then eventually it became an elected position.
To become HRE you needed a coalition of alliances and marriages.
The position was fluid in the first centuries, but then settled down to several long periods between different families. The Hapsburgs held it for centuries and it became associated with the Spanish Crown in the later centuries.
Napoleon abolished it; for this reason he is known as the person who finally destroyed the Roman Empire.
RE: Historically significant events in Europe between 1404 and 1438 - Mark Knowles - 21-01-2021
Sigismund of Luxembourg was:
King of Hungary and Croatia from 1404
King of Germany from 1411
Prince-Elector of Brandenburg from 1411 to 1415
King of Bohemia from 1419
King of Italy from 1431
Holy Roman Emperor from 1433 until 1437
RE: Historically significant events in Europe between 1404 and 1438 - Mark Knowles - 21-01-2021
Rupert, King of the Romans
Elector Palatine from 1404 to 1410
King of Germany from 1404 to 1410
(I mentioned him before as there is a cipher key in the Gonzaga cipher ledger associate with Rupert with some distinctive peculiar features which I think must make it is a German diplomatic cipher as it differs from other cipher keys in the Gonzaga ledger.)
RE: Historically significant events in Europe between 1404 and 1438 - Mark Knowles - 21-01-2021
I have a better sense than most of the dynamics of Italian states of this period. Though there is definitely still plenty of scope for improvement on my part. And it appears that in some areas academia hasn't fully illuminated the historical events, such as appears to be the case with respect to the Republic of Genoa.
However I have a poor understanding of the dynamics of the different German political entities. I have read a certain amount on the Swiss cantons over this period, but I don't have the depth of understanding that I would like.
(Initially I begun to research the different political entities in Europe to get an idea of the archives in which I might find enciphered diplomatic communication.)
RE: Historically significant events in Europe between 1404 and 1438 - Mark Knowles - 22-01-2021
Jobst of Moravia
Margrave of Moravia from 1404 to 1411
Duke of Luxembourg from 1404 to 1411
Elector of Brandenburg from 1404 to 1411
King of Germany from 1410 to 1411
So overlapping with Rupert