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RE: [split] f28v - Aga Tentakulus - 02-11-2019
@JKP
When I saw your snake, I immediately thought of it. Coat of arms of Bellinzona
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RE: [split] f28v - Koen G - 02-11-2019
Ah yes, that is also the Visconti serpent. It's a good example of how modern concepts of nations can really distort one's view on the historical political situation. (Bellinzona is now in Switzerland).
I really like the city wall as it stands now (image from the wiki). I don't recall ever having seen anything as close to the bottom stretch of merlons on the rosettes foldout.
![[Image: 800px-Castelli.JPG]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Castelli.JPG/800px-Castelli.JPG)
RE: [split] f28v - Aga Tentakulus - 02-11-2019
The Long Wall is only partly standing. It was 600m long.
RE: [split] f28v - -JKP- - 02-11-2019
Marco, awesome. Thank you for that!
I didn't even think to interpret it as two words. I wasn't sure what to make of it.
And thank you for making the instructions for getting a link to a specific folio even clearer. I didn't "get" it the first time you posted (that I had to do those steps in thumbnail mode). I'm chronically tired when I post on the forum. I often work through the night and really don't get enough sleep, but it got through my skull the second time.
RE: [split] f28v - -JKP- - 02-11-2019
The image that it borders the vertical text is interesting too:
It has figures within decorative pillar-like/tent-like enclosures (on the left). It's almost as though the VMS umbrellas and grotto-like coverings are the same sort of idea even if they are drawn very differently.
RE: [split] f28v - MarcoP - 02-11-2019
(02-11-2019, 05:27 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Marco, awesome. Thank you for that!
I didn't even think to interpret it as two words. I wasn't sure what to make of it.
I had no idea either. Luckily, the text is so obvious that googling the first words of the following page brought it up
RE: [split] f28v - Davidsch - 06-11-2019
(24-10-2019, 02:42 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Upside-down the part on the left looks like the Leo symbol, Leo is a sun sign.
In fact, there is often a red "star" on zodiac depictions of Leo (and the VMS feline has a red splot that looks like candle wax but also somewhat resembles the red suns on a number of zodiac Leos):
With my experience, this does not resemble IHS here. There is also no other context for this religious text.
@JKP, This upside down, is a very good observation, because now it can clearly be seen the second symbol is u-shaped.
So I looked up, Omega-u words.
There are none, however, the letter omega itself could be meant here: ωμέγα. or Orion. or Osiris.
As Omega being the last letter in the alphabet, there are very little words. Perhaps there is a plantname which starts with Omega?
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Just reading this:
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bi3mw: According to the McCrone Institute report, glair (eggwhite) was used for clear or the color white. I just can't remember where white was used in VMS.
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[font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif]Yes, That's an idea. The Greek word for egg: ωόν = egg, ove[/font]
RE: [split] f28v - -JKP- - 06-11-2019
David, reading it upside-down, if that were ov (using omega shape for "o") with a line over the v, and if one were reading it in Latin, it would be the abbreviation for ovum and its homonyms.
The shapes u/v were interchangeable and it didn't matter if the macron was straight or curved, it generally meant the same thing.
RE: [split] f28v - Davidsch - 07-11-2019
Yes, from the Latin perspective.
But it is clear that Omega is a Latin letter, that's why I looked at it from the Greek perspective which makes more sense.
RE: [split] f28v - -JKP- - 07-11-2019
I'm always on shaky ground when I talk about Greek because I can only read a tiny bit of it (mostly names) and I haven't studied the scribal abbreviations as much as Latin (the concepts are very similar, sometimes the same, but some of the shapes go in different directions and Greek has a lot of ligatures) but... even though I've suggested the shape in the rays looks like omega, more often in medieval manuscripts one would see it written as ω rather than the Ω shape.
A couple of the reasons that [font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][font=sans-serif]ω is much more common are 1) m[/font]any scribes didn't bother with capital letters and 2) some scribes would enlarge the lowercase letter rather than using a different shape for the capital letters.[/font]
Now, if we consider for a moment that it might be [font=sans-serif]Ω, then the choice of the shape MIGHT depend on where the person saw or learned it. For example, if they learned from manuscripts, more often they would see [font=sans-serif]ω. But, if they learned from looking at old monuments (e.g., Greek sarcophagi or mosaics), then they would sometimes see ω and sometimes Ω:[/font][/font]
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[font=sans-serif][font=sans-serif][font=Tahoma, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif][font=sans-serif]So, if it is [font=sans-serif]Ω then there may have been a deliberate choice to use the less common Ω shape or... maybe it's not omega.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]