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RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 09-10-2026
(09-10-2026, 11:05 AM)Oscroft wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(09-10-2026, 09:59 AM)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I’ll take the liberty of posting the current diagram representing the core of my theory here. I’m starting to use this thread as a source of information myself, since I currently have the materials scattered all over the place.
Hi Radim,
I am impressed by your hard work - I really like your searches for similar imagery, which is valuable in its own right. And I thank you for this summary. But, given your apparently very strong confidence in your theory, I have to ask one simple question. Can you actually translate a single sentence of the manuscript yet?
Dear Oscroft, that’s a good question. I realized that no one else is going to carry out the experiments with text transformation for me. So, I’ve started preparing the input data for the test. I have the Ethiopian Enoch in the original Ge'ez—with a Latin transliteration—as well as English translations, and I’m also going to try to get hold of the Old Church Slavonic Enoch. The next task will be to correctly sequence the pages to be used in the test; the pages in the Voynich manuscript are out of order. So, I haven’t translated a single word yet, but I am working on it. As I write this, I am preparing the input data file.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 09-10-2026
(09-10-2026, 11:15 AM)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(09-10-2026, 11:05 AM)Oscroft wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(09-10-2026, 09:59 AM)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I’ll take the liberty of posting the current diagram representing the core of my theory here. I’m starting to use this thread as a source of information myself, since I currently have the materials scattered all over the place.
Hi Radim,
I am impressed by your hard work - I really like your searches for similar imagery, which is valuable in its own right. And I thank you for this summary. But, given your apparently very strong confidence in your theory, I have to ask one simple question. Can you actually translate a single sentence of the manuscript yet?
Dear Oscroft, that’s a good question. I realized that no one else is going to carry out the experiments with text transformation for me. So, I’ve started preparing the input data for the test. I have the Ethiopian Enoch in the original Ge'ez—with a Latin transliteration—as well as English translations, and I’m also going to try to get hold of the Old Church Slavonic Enoch. The next task will be to correctly sequence the pages to be used in the test; the pages in the Voynich manuscript are out of order. So, I haven’t translated a single word yet, but I am working on it. As I write this, I am preparing the input data file.
Without prior image analysis, I wouldn't even be able to match the correct pages to the correct paragraphs. This way, I will compare the source text in Ge'ez with the Voynich script (EVA), and I will use the English translation as a check to ensure the paragraphs align with the individual pages.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Oscroft - 09-10-2026
(09-10-2026, 11:15 AM)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(09-10-2026, 11:05 AM)Oscroft wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(09-10-2026, 09:59 AM)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I’ll take the liberty of posting the current diagram representing the core of my theory here. I’m starting to use this thread as a source of information myself, since I currently have the materials scattered all over the place.
Hi Radim,
I am impressed by your hard work - I really like your searches for similar imagery, which is valuable in its own right. And I thank you for this summary. But, given your apparently very strong confidence in your theory, I have to ask one simple question. Can you actually translate a single sentence of the manuscript yet?
Dear Oscroft, that’s a good question. I realized that no one else is going to carry out the experiments with text transformation for me. So, I’ve started preparing the input data for the test. I have the Ethiopian Enoch in the original Ge'ez—with a Latin transliteration—as well as English translations, and I’m also going to try to get hold of the Old Church Slavonic Enoch. The next task will be to correctly sequence the pages to be used in the test; the pages in the Voynich manuscript are out of order. So, I haven’t translated a single word yet, but I am working on it. As I write this, I am preparing the input data file.
Sounds good - looking forward to hearing what you find!
Radim Dobeš wrote:Without prior image analysis, I wouldn't even be able to match the correct pages to the correct paragraphs. This way, I will compare the source text in Ge'ez with the Voynich script (EVA), and I will use the English translation as a check to ensure the paragraphs align with the individual pages.
OK, that makes sense.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 16-10-2026
I decided to conduct an experiment based on several initial assumptions and objectives:
• To apply certain principles from *Arca Steganographica* (A. Kircher)
• To apply certain principles from *Polygraphia Nova* (A. Kircher)
• To apply these principles to the VOYNICH–ENOCH hypothesis
• To use a semantic-grammatical model for the machine translation of the VOYNICH MANUSCRIPT
General procedure of this semantic-grammatical model:
• Reduction of each concept to its purely semantic basis (root)
• Assignment of a unique code to this basis (root)
• Assignment of a grammatical component to the semantic basis (modifiers)
• Transcription into the corresponding EVA form (glyphs)
How this would look in a practical demonstration using encryption slats:
Example 1:
Input text:
God sent light to people.
Wisdom comes from heaven.
Classification layer
DIVINITY → DAI
SEND → CHOL
LIGHT → QOK
HUMAN → SHE
WISDOM → CTH
COME → QOT
HEAVEN → OTE
EVA Generation
DAI + aiin → qodaiin
CHOL + dy → choldy
QOK + aiin → qokaiin
SHE + dy → shedy
CTH + aiin → cthaiin
QOT + dy → qotedy
OTE + ey → oteey
Output EVA text
qodaiin choldy qokaiin shedy
cthaiin qotedy oteey
Note:
Depending on the selection of preferred families (or sets of encryption strips), various outputs can be generated—for example, "Currier A" and "Currier B." This translation method would, to a certain extent, accommodate inputs from different languages, thanks to a semantic classification layer (e.g., inputs in Ge'ez, Old Church Slavonic, Latin, Greek, or Arabic).
Example 2:
Based on the VOYNICH–ENOCH hypothesis, I have prepared texts from folio f46r.
Text from folio You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. in a modern English translation (an excerpt)
I will attempt to use Copilot M365—following the same procedure—to convert a larger portion of the text into an EVA transcription. This is not a translation, but rather a demonstration of the system.
Input text:
Folio You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. – modern English translation (excerpts for demonstration)
Observe the heaven, ye children of heaven,
and every work of the Most High,
and fear ye Him.
If He closes the windows of heaven,
and withholds the rain and the dew,
what will ye do then?
And see ye not the sailors of the ships,
how their ships are tossed to and fro by the waves,
and are shaken by the winds.
Classification Layer (Proposed Variant)
DEITY / MOST HIGH → DAI
HEAVEN / HEAVENS → QOK
SEA → OTE
WATER → OKE
MOVEMENT / CHANGE → QOT
REVERENCE / FEAR → SHE
COMMAND / LAW → CTH
ACTION / DEED → PCH
FORCE / WIND → CHCKH
WISDOM / KNOWLEDGE → YK
Modifiers (Proposed Variant)
aiin = primary form
dy = action / process
ar = relationship
ol = object
ey = state
eedy = intensified form
Generated EVA-like version You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (unoptimized sample)
pchedy qotedy cthar dy pcheol
ykedy osaiin shee qoteol daiin shee dy daly
sodaiin sheeoly qoor sheo oteol chckhy daiin
daiin shor ykal chekhy daiin
she pchshedy qokol
okeedy shekeey ykey shedy cthdy
qotsheod ytedy ytey cheor
dytedy shee keedy ypchedy
chdalor sheedy opchedy
shol qokaiin ytchdy
qokchdy cthy otedy
chedy qokar chcthy
Conclusion:
This experiment - a demonstration has shown that it is possible to generate text with a structure similar to EVA using a system based on principles found in *Arca Steganographica* (A. Kircher) and *Polygraphia Nova* (A. Kircher).
Furthermore, this system can be implemented using basic equipment available in the 16th and 17th centuries. There is no need for complex systems or powerful computers; tables, strips (slats), paper, and a pen are sufficient.
To a certain extent, the system is independent of the input language. Similar results can be obtained even if the input text is converted into Latin.
Using this method, multiple scribes could work from different locations, potentially even utilizing different sets of strips and tables.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - nablator - 16-10-2026
(Today, 09:41 AM)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.To a certain extent, the system is independent of the input language. Similar results can be obtained even if the input text is converted into Latin.
You would then expect the same grammatical regularities that appear in the target language: word pair statistics would detect them, not the word ending-starting patterns that we have in the VMS.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 16-10-2026
(11 hours ago)nablator wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You would then expect the same grammatical regularities that appear in the target language: word pair statistics would detect them, not the word ending-starting patterns that we have in the VMS.
What do you mean by the claim regarding "word ending-starting patterns" found in the VMS?
I looked up information regarding these properties of EVA, and the simple model I presented does not account for them. An additional layer would need to be added.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - nablator - 16-10-2026
(8 hours ago)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What do you mean by the claim regarding "word ending-starting patterns" found in the VMS?
I looked up information regarding these properties of EVA, and the simple model I presented does not account for them. An additional layer would need to be added.
Glyph combinations across word breaks in the Voynich manuscript Emma May Smith & Marco Ponzi - Cryptologia 03 Jun 2019. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
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This is only one of many statistical properties that any serious theory needs to explain somehow... search LAAFU, Patrick's rightward and downward You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. , Tavi's "vertical impact": You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. of the study, Torsten's statistics and others (including mine about k/t gallows!) showing how similar words like to cluster, etc. Not properties of EVA but of Voynichese regardless of the transliteration system.