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RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Jorge_Stolfi - 30-09-2026
(30-09-2026, 07:40 AM)DG97EEB wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The only problem is every species of Solomon's Seal has the same kind of drooping bell shaped flowers and never in blue..
But keep in mind that there is some evidence suggesting that the colors were applied by a later owner, and no evidence indicating that they are original.
Quote:now I'm prepared to accept that the flowers and roots may be mixed up, and I actually agree with Radim that the root is much more like that than the other proposed, but I think we again risk too many degrees of freedom if we just assume that there's a mix and match game going on..
Yes, that mix-and-match theory gives extra degrees of freedom for theorists. And at the same time complicates and frustrates the task of identifying the plants.
But if that is indeed what happened, those observations do not justify assuming that it didn't.
Same for my claim that about 5% of all tokens have some "spelling error" (which could result from valid spelling variation or several other causes). It gives n easy excuse to proponents of theories which fail to "decode" 5% of the tokens. And it complicates and frustrates the decipherment.
But if the claim is indeed true, those observations do not justify assuming the opposite.
Quote:on that note, has anyone put forward a concrete and obvious example of where this mix/match has actually happened?
My best guess is that the Author's notes for the herbal were just a draft of the Pharma section (which may have been more extensive than what remains in the VMS) and maybe a bunch of separate text-only descriptions of the plants. At some point the Author decided to convert his notes to Vellum, and the result was the Pharma section.
Then he decided to turn those notes into an expanded herbal in the format that people expected -- one or two plants per page, with one or tho parags of description. So he had the Scribe copy the parts that he had sketched in Pharma, and add the rest by copying from random herbals.
All the best, --stolfi
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 30-09-2026
I am also happy to provide an explanation as to why people call the plant "Solomon's seal", because the scars on the rhizome resemble magical seals.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Oscroft - 30-09-2026
(30-09-2026, 06:59 AM)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.More importantly, however, there is the question of why the plant depicted is Solomon’s seal (*Polygonatum*). This points to a specific way of interpreting the VMS: it illustrates that even what has been severed by earthly life and sin remains under divine protection, and that what was once divided will be reunited in purity. That is how these plant illustrations should be read.Hmm, isn't that interpreting the evidence to fit the desired conclusion? (ie, the wrong way round?)
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 01-10-2026
(30-09-2026, 05:24 PM)Oscroft wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(30-09-2026, 06:59 AM)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.More importantly, however, there is the question of why the plant depicted is Solomon’s seal (*Polygonatum*). This points to a specific way of interpreting the VMS: it illustrates that even what has been severed by earthly life and sin remains under divine protection, and that what was once divided will be reunited in purity. That is how these plant illustrations should be read.Hmm, isn't that interpreting the evidence to fit the desired conclusion? (ie, the wrong way round?)
One could certainly cite a specific passage from the Book of Enoch in relation to this folio. I will reiterate the hypothesis that the plants are diagrams governed by specific rules—such as colors, shapes, arrangements, and the number of elements—that graphically symbolize parables. Furthermore, magical and talismanic elements designed for protection against evil are integrated into these plants.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Oscroft - 01-10-2026
(01-10-2026, 06:43 AM)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So that's a yes?(30-09-2026, 05:24 PM)Oscroft wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(30-09-2026, 06:59 AM)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.More importantly, however, there is the question of why the plant depicted is Solomon’s seal (*Polygonatum*). This points to a specific way of interpreting the VMS: it illustrates that even what has been severed by earthly life and sin remains under divine protection, and that what was once divided will be reunited in purity. That is how these plant illustrations should be read.Hmm, isn't that interpreting the evidence to fit the desired conclusion? (ie, the wrong way round?)
One could certainly cite a specific passage from the Book of Enoch in relation to this folio. I will reiterate the hypothesis that the plants are diagrams governed by specific rules—such as colors, shapes, arrangements, and the number of elements—that graphically symbolize parables. Furthermore, magical and talismanic elements designed for protection against evil are integrated into these plants.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 01-10-2026
(01-10-2026, 06:53 AM)Oscroft wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(01-10-2026, 06:43 AM)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.So that's a yes?(30-09-2026, 05:24 PM)Oscroft wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(30-09-2026, 06:59 AM)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.More importantly, however, there is the question of why the plant depicted is Solomon’s seal (*Polygonatum*). This points to a specific way of interpreting the VMS: it illustrates that even what has been severed by earthly life and sin remains under divine protection, and that what was once divided will be reunited in purity. That is how these plant illustrations should be read.Hmm, isn't that interpreting the evidence to fit the desired conclusion? (ie, the wrong way round?)
One could certainly cite a specific passage from the Book of Enoch in relation to this folio. I will reiterate the hypothesis that the plants are diagrams governed by specific rules—such as colors, shapes, arrangements, and the number of elements—that graphically symbolize parables. Furthermore, magical and talismanic elements designed for protection against evil are integrated into these plants.
Unfortunately, I cannot think of a better way to interpret Enoch's theory. So, I have to present it in the form of a retelling, supplemented by the most credible findings available. I wonder if there is anyone on this forum who agrees with this theory, or if I am still a lone soldier in the field.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 05-10-2026
One of the most important pages of the VMS and the Second Book of Enoch.
Search terms for the internet:
Enoch's descent from heaven.
The Ascension of Enoch.
Enoch's family.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 08-10-2026
Since I have only been working on the Voynich Manuscript for a year, I am gradually discovering things that have likely already been discovered. While examining the works of Johannes Trithemius, I came across the book:
*Polygraphie, et vniuerselle escriture cabalistique*
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This book deals with combinatorics and a cipher system utilizing artificial languages and letters.
At the end of the book, there are combinatorial volvelles used to construct these languages.
On one of these volvelles, I found figures in the bottom corners that strikingly resemble the figures on folio f66r.
Interestingly, volvelles are depicted next to the figure on that folio.
Trithemius also developed a method known as steganography—the art of embedding hidden information within text and images so that it remains undetected. Scholars only figured this out centuries later.
A text with entirely different content could be embedded in the same way into a book containing herbal lore, recipes, and astrology.
Yet that is precisely what my theory addresses: the Book of Enoch is embedded within text, images, and diagrams that appear to be something else entirely.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 09-10-2026
I’ll take the liberty of posting the current diagram representing the core of my theory here. I’m starting to use this thread as a source of information myself, since I currently have the materials scattered all over the place.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Oscroft - 09-10-2026
(09-10-2026, 09:59 AM)Radim Dobeš wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I’ll take the liberty of posting the current diagram representing the core of my theory here. I’m starting to use this thread as a source of information myself, since I currently have the materials scattered all over the place.
Hi Radim,
I am impressed by your hard work - I really like your searches for similar imagery, which is valuable in its own right. And I thank you for this summary. But, given your apparently very strong confidence in your theory, I have to ask one simple question. Can you actually translate a single sentence of the manuscript yet?