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RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - Koen G - 25-03-2026

Thanks! This nicely fills out the map a bit further.

The frescos were already on the map as "Castello di Avio".

The one in Austria looks like a typical example of restoration swallowtails - it's hard to know if they were there originally as well.

Were already on the map: Arco, Sirmione

Added: Drugollo, Malcesine, Hocheppan, Riva del Garda, Vignola (to castles layer), Ried, Schlanderberg

Not certain of chronology of building layers: Mantua Palazzo de la Ragione, Brunnenburg (looks restored). 

I would have doubted Churburg - this would be our northernmost example, and the merlons look very clean. I will add it unless Royal Swallowtail Inspector Peter Tentakulus knows of a reason not to  Big Grin

(PS: Schwalbenschwanzzinnen is one of those German words that must look crazy to English speakers).

RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - DG97EEB - 26-03-2026

I looked on the map and couldn't see the Castle at Monselice which was owned by the Carrara family - they of the famous herbal...

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Also the Torre Civica di Porta Vecchia in Este. You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(Post edit: Porta vecchia tower was built in 1690 with Ghibelline)

Another: Castello do Valbona You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

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(All from "Padua under the Carrara, 1318-1405 by Benjamin Kohl")

RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - Aga Tentakulus - 26-03-2026

Churburg, probably 16th century. Completely rebuilt and expanded.
And the tower had a roof. The changes to the building’s structure suggest as much.

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Two different building materials make me skeptical

RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - Koen G - 26-03-2026

All added (apart from Porta Vecchia, which I had already flagged as suspicious). Churburg removed again.

RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - DG97EEB - 26-03-2026

Random Vatican library discovery.. 14th Century Virgil's Aeneid from Venice... You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - MarcoP - 27-03-2026

Great Venus and Cupid!

RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - eggyk - 30-04-2026

Found one randomly. "Virgilii, Sancti Stephani et Altun abbatis (anno 1282 - 1197) figurae" You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

Creation date says 12th century, no location. Although anno 1283 surely means 13th century? 

       

RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - Koen G - 30-04-2026

Good find! It shows a portrait of Virgil (right) and a dedication of the book by the abbot to the patron saint of the abbey (left). This suggests that at the very least the composition of the left image was made by the abbey. 

I assume it is in fact late 12th century and 1282 is a typo.

I am unfamiliar with the cultural reasons why there would be swallowtail merlons in manuscript art around Munich at this time. Maybe this was associated with the Italian home of the Latin authors?

RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - MarcoP - 30-04-2026

I confirm that the date is a typo for 1182 (entry at the bottom of the page)
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RE: 15thc perception on swallowtail merlons? - Pierre Dumont Himself - 28-05-2026

Segonzano Castle near Trento with swallowtail merlons in a Dürer watercolor:
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