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RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - stellar - 06-10-2016
(06-10-2016, 07:11 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thread summary: John Dee hid his graduation date in a block of blue cheese with eyes.
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Marco, soap is an idea I haven't heard before. Would there have been any kind based on plant material?
lol
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - EllieV - 06-10-2016
(06-10-2016, 07:24 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I remember there is a genius sapon (Latin: soap) for a family of plants much used in traditional soaps. Don't remember much else about them - soap comes in a bottle for me
Saponaria (soapwort). Here is example from Egerton 747
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Koen - here is example of "cube" soap
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - ReneZ - 06-10-2016
(04-10-2016, 08:34 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I did some rough calculations. Assuming the page to be 23.5cm high, this works out at 3368 pixels high.
The cube is 63 mm between its two long edges.
The "u" in SAU thus works out to be 8.5 pixels high, or 0.6mm high. That's pretty tiny....
Hi David,
something seems to have gone wrong here. The "cube"'s long edge is about 7mm. I measured this from
the new Yale book, which has the pages reproduced at approximately the original size.
The ratio 3368 pixels for 23.5 cm (approximate height of the book) is certainly close enough.
Normal Voynich letters (Eva o, a) in the recipes section are about 1 mm high, which is a good reference
for comparison.
In general, I consider it very possible that there is writing under the paint here. However, I
would expect that such writing would have been written in ink, i.e. the same ink used for all writing.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - julian - 06-10-2016
(06-10-2016, 08:10 PM)ReneZ Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(04-10-2016, 08:34 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I did some rough calculations. Assuming the page to be 23.5cm high, this works out at 3368 pixels high.
The cube is 63 mm between its two long edges.
The "u" in SAU thus works out to be 8.5 pixels high, or 0.6mm high. That's pretty tiny....
Hi David,
something seems to have gone wrong here. The "cube"'s long edge is about 7mm. I measured this from
the new Yale book, which has the pages reproduced at approximately the original size.
The ratio 3368 pixels for 23.5 cm (approximate height of the book) is certainly close enough.
Normal Voynich letters (Eva o, a) in the recipes section are about 1 mm high, which is a good reference
for comparison.
In general, I consider it very possible that there is writing under the paint here. However, I
would expect that such writing would have been written in ink, i.e. the same ink used for all writing.
It blows my mind that the letters are written that small. I just tried to write some letters 1mm high and what I came up with was small blobs that I could hardly tell apart!
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - davidjackson - 06-10-2016
Quote:something seems to have gone wrong here. The "cube"'s long edge is about 7mm.
My inability to use decimal points correctly.... I meant 6.3 mm, not 63!
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - Koen G - 06-10-2016
Ellie - I think cubes are very normal shapes for soap to be in - you let it harden and cut it up. I just wonder if the inclusion of potential soap would point to one of the plants around it as being useful for making soap. Since there seems to be at least some thematic order in the small plants section, one could expect a connection.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - EllieV - 06-10-2016
(06-10-2016, 08:37 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ellie - I think cubes are very normal shapes for soap to be in - you let it harden and cut it up. I just wonder if the inclusion of potential soap would point to one of the plants around it as being useful for making soap. Since there seems to be at least some thematic order in the small plants section, one could expect a connection.
I agree - the cubes are normal shape for soap. My grandma used to make laundry soap and cut it in cubes.
Regarding foreign objects among the plants - we have at least the frog precedent.
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(06-10-2016, 08:55 PM)EllieV Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(06-10-2016, 08:37 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Ellie - I think cubes are very normal shapes for soap to be in - you let it harden and cut it up. I just wonder if the inclusion of potential soap would point to one of the plants around it as being useful for making soap. Since there seems to be at least some thematic order in the small plants section, one could expect a connection.
I agree - the cubes are normal shape for soap. My grandma used to make laundry soap and cut it in cubes.
Regarding foreign objects among the plants - we have at least the frog precedent.
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There is also a "jar" among the small plants
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RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - MarcoP - 06-10-2016
(06-10-2016, 07:56 PM)EllieV Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(06-10-2016, 07:24 PM)davidjackson Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I remember there is a genius sapon (Latin: soap) for a family of plants much used in traditional soaps. Don't remember much else about them - soap comes in a bottle for me
Saponaria (soapwort). Here is example from Egerton 747
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Koen - here is example of "cube" soap
You are right, Ellie and David! If you search "saponaria" on the forum, you will find links to two XV Century herbals (Cadamosto's and Auslasser's). The plant is also illustrated in the 1491 German Hortus Sanitatis I previously linked (img 383).
PS: Auslasser's illustration is at the end of the herbal and it's unfinished and unlabeled. I think it could just as well be vinca minor.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - -JKP- - 06-10-2016
(06-10-2016, 07:11 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thread summary: John Dee hid his graduation date in a block of blue cheese with eyes.
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Marco, soap is an idea I haven't heard before. Would there have been any kind based on plant material?
Yes, in China and I think also in Egypt, many soaps were based on plant materials, particularly those for cleaning hair.
In the Mediterranean area, olive oil was often used for plant-based soaps. In fact, olive-oil-based soaps are sold at our local co-op.
RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - Davidsch - 06-10-2016
SAPO
sounds as a very likely candidate.
The image
The top corners on the "box" as well as left and right, are rounded (in other words they have a radius). The bottom corners have straight lines.
This is typical if you make soap yourself by using a mould: the corners that stick out out the mould (the top of the soap) has straight corners. The inside of mould is difficult to make and would result in round corners.
Are there more specific Medieval Latin / Italian / English words for soap?