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RE: The journey into an unknown world - Petrasti - 08-08-2025
14) the color brown - hor/han
14) the color brown.pdf (Size: 1.64 MB / Downloads: 23)
15) the color purple - han/hon
15) color purple.pdf (Size: 197.31 KB / Downloads: 10)
16) the color blue - goa/goo
16) the color blue.pdf (Size: 901.84 KB / Downloads: 11)
17)bor/bar - the blossom
17) the blossom bor-bar.pdf (Size: 1.25 MB / Downloads: 18)
18) irritations in the manuscript
18) literal error.pdf (Size: 1.16 MB / Downloads: 17)
19) the superlative by repetition
19) superlative and repetition.pdf (Size: 1.37 MB / Downloads: 14)
20) the writing and its pitfalls
20) the writing and its pitfalls.pdf (Size: 999.72 KB / Downloads: 20)
21) the key (my personal opinion)
21) the key (my private opinion).pdf (Size: 885.97 KB / Downloads: 41)
22) the final solution
22) the final solution.pdf (Size: 47.38 KB / Downloads: 62)
RE: The journey into an unknown world - Petrasti - 01-09-2025
the comparison of ch and sh
RE: The journey into an unknown world - Garlonga - 01-09-2025
I'm afraid of opening number 22
RE: The journey into an unknown world - cowcrap - 01-09-2025
(01-09-2025, 08:58 PM)Garlonga Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I'm afraid of opening number 22
very much so...
RE: The journey into an unknown world - dashstofsk - 02-09-2025
It is unlikely that scribes who 'came from the Swiss mountain regions and spoke an archaic Celtic language' would have spoken a 'mediaeval Hiberno-English' language. Continental Celtic is a different linguistic branch to Gaelic Celtic.
A similar theory has already been discussed and dismissed in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
RE: The journey into an unknown world - Petrasti - 02-09-2025
(02-09-2025, 11:01 AM)dashstofsk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is unlikely that scribes who 'came from the Swiss mountain regions and spoke an archaic Celtic language' would have spoken a 'mediaeval Hiberno-English' language. Continental Celtic is a different linguistic branch to Gaelic Celtic.
A similar theory has already been discussed and dismissed in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
To be honest, I don't think a Celtic language survived in Switzerland, and if it did, then perhaps it was in the mountainous regions. However, people there didn't have the resources to develop their own script and write it down. Personally, I'm thinking more of the Scottish monasteries in Switzerland and southern Germany. But that's all just pure speculation. A Hiberno English must be related to England. I have no doubt about that.
RE: The journey into an unknown world - Petrasti - 02-09-2025
(02-09-2025, 11:01 AM)dashstofsk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It is unlikely that scribes who 'came from the Swiss mountain regions and spoke an archaic Celtic language' would have spoken a 'mediaeval Hiberno-English' language. Continental Celtic is a different linguistic branch to Gaelic Celtic.
A similar theory has already been discussed and dismissed in You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
I've studied the cisalpine theory, but I'm far from it :-)
I know my theory is flawed, and I'm sure I'm wrong about some words. What's amazing, however, are the colors that appear exactly the same in Irish (ban and goa or gorm) and are also named after the corresponding flowers. I also know that my alphabet is different from the EVE alphabet, and that many people will doubt it, which is fine.
RE: The journey into an unknown world - Petrasti - 02-09-2025
I'd like to add something here. I've been busy with Currier B and the word "chedy and c+hedy" over the past few days. I know that chedy and c+hedy are translated as "chedy and shedy" in EVA. For me, the word would be geba and gheba.
in wiktionary I found the following:
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Old English: giefan
West Saxon: gifan
Late West Saxon: gyfan
Anglian, Kentish: gefan, geofan, giofan
translated as to give
RE: The journey into an unknown world - tavie - 02-09-2025
Sorry Petrasti. I missed this when you originally posted it. I've now added you to the You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. under "Irish".
(02-09-2025, 07:35 PM)Petrasti Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.What's amazing, however, are the colors that appear exactly the same in Irish (ban and goa or gorm) and are also named after the corresponding flowers. I also know that my alphabet is different from the EVE alphabet, and that many people will doubt it, which is fine.
Coincidences like this are easy to come by: check out Koen's video You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
RE: The journey into an unknown world - Petrasti - 04-09-2025
Hi Tavie,
thanks for adding me to the list.
Here is a brief summary of why I think we are dealing with a Celtic language here:
1) In Old Irish manuscripts, words cluster around a main accent and are usually written as one word. (Indo-European Library ‘Sammlung indoeuropäischer Lehrbücher und Handbücher’ Indo-European Library ‘1. Reihe: Grammatiken’ by Rudolf Thurneysen, Heidelberg 1909)
Examples from the MS408
Ydarchom is also mentioned as single words: y and dar and chom
ocholc+hod also mentioned as single words as: o and chol and c+hod
c+holteol also mentioned as single words as: c+hol and teol
3) The explanation of the plant devas is based on the text from "Plants in the Middle Ages": A Cultural History Böhlau Verlag, Vienna, Cologne and Weimar 2012 by Mr Helmut Birkhan (renowned Celtic scholar and medievalist)
4) The handfasting ceremony according to Celtic and Germanic tradition
5) The sun and the moon in relation to flowers and Celtic beliefs
6) Not a religion known to us, but a pagan worldview
7) The manuscript probably originates from northern Italy. Scottish monasteries and wandering monks explain the origin of the Celtic language in the Italian-Swiss border region.
8) The word elongation as in Irish in MS 408 as e,ee,eee,
9) Irish mutation
for example the t-prosthesis:
Consonant mutation in Celtic languages:
In modern Irish, there is a t- prosthesis in certain circumstances, such as when a masculine noun with a vowel beginning in the nominative singular is preceded by the article (e.g. an t-aer “the air”); or when a feminine noun with an s- in the nominative singular is preceded by the article (e.g. an tsúil “the eye”). There is also an h- prosthesis in Irish under certain circumstances, for example when a masculine noun with a vowel beginning in the nominative plural is preceded by the article (e.g. na héin “the birds” (masculine), na haoiseanna “the ages” (feminine)). The feminine possessive pronoun a in the singular “ihr” triggers an h prosthesis with vowel-initial nouns (e.g. a hathair “her father”), whereas this is not the case with the masculine possessive pronoun a in the singular “sein” (e.g. a athair “his father”).
In Welsh, the h -prosthesis only occurs in words with a vowel beginning. It occurs in words after ei “their”, a “our” and eu “their”: oedran “age”, ei hoedran “their age”. In the traditional counting system, it also occurs in ugain ‘twenty’ after ar (on): un ar hugain ‘twenty-one’ (literally: ‘one on twenty’).
Changes to words with a vowel beginning
In environments where lenition occurs, a word with a vowel beginning remains unchanged: an oíche ‘the night’ (feminine singular nominative noun after definite article)
· an t- uisce ‘of the water’
10) Further examples of Irish grammar that explain the mutations in Voynich
donkey = irischer Asal
the donkey = an t-asal
the donkeys = na hasail
eight donkey = ocht n-asal
on the donkey = ar an asal
on the donkeys = ar na hasail
their donkeys = a Asal
word = Irish focal
the word = a focal
the words = na focail
of the words = na bh-focal
11) Words that can be plausibly explained on the base of repetitions
For example:
gob for berry still exists as goosegob (English dialect)
Goa from gorm Blue (Irish)
ban from ban white
Gol from flower Gol or Gul (Gaelic or used in Persian)
gas from Irish gas The Stalk
gop from Irish gop / beak
an example ‘Goa’:
I looked for the same word on all the picutres with blue flowers, but it usually only appears with blue flowers. One word was goa or geoa. Gorm means blue in Irish.
There were some other flowers without the word goa. However, the word han/hon or hean heon appeared relatively frequently. This suggests that Han/Hon could be purple, which turned out to be correct.