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RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map - Stefan Wirtz_2 - 16-04-2025

(16-04-2025, 09:55 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yes, thanks! Again, I don't see the images as matching in a convincing way, but at least I understand how you propose to match them.

(16-04-2025, 08:09 PM)Stefan Wirtz_2 Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Is it necessary to explain the tent(s) too?
Is there anything specific about the tents? I think round tents have been popular in many cultures.

There are at least 8-9 details that match to mangup. Combining all of them raises the probabilty of „castle“ being Mangup to a higest level.
A stonefall at southwest, the „finger“ hills at southeast, citadel and walls at east, a cave system in northeast cliff at least for sewage, a well north between 2 cliffs, main gate from northwest, a narrow valley leading to NNW, at the narrowest point you see something has been there: what are the chances to find another place with all this upon Crimea, or elsewhere?
Some here believe that the castle must be some tiny neat Neuschwanstein with shiny swallowtails in Bavaria or Italy, but there isnt such thing. Most castles and fortresses are ruined completely.

It‘s not for the roundness of tents: as long as you can see the three tents, three natural landmarks, a castle and the central capital of Crimean Chanat in this map, it is ok for me Wink This blue one is considered as sea and it shows a lot of bays at the shore.

It is just a map of outposts and 2 central cities.
No magic, no symbolism, no metaphysics, no Scotland. 
VMS is a pragmatic, compact, optimized pocket book for travel use. 
No decoratives, no fancy in writing, and this map will not be any different from that.

RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map - Stefan Wirtz_2 - 17-04-2025

About "convincing matching" of medieval art something in general:
most drawings and paintings do not care very much about proportions, dimensions and perspectives.
Expecting realistic or even fotorealistic pictures is a high demand which medieval artists rarely could deliver or were ordered to.
Some members here expect the, for that time, usual amount of symbols and typical details and therefore interpret every little side scribble, but VMS seems not to observe very much standards and conventions of artworks and is (for my impression) nearly free of symbolic contents.

One "common ground" is covered by the manuscript: 
if something is more important than any surroundings, these main things sometimes are enlarged, moved into foreground etc., sometimes even looking bizarre. 
All those parts who are unimportant get shrinked and/or moved aside, a bit mistreated, countings and details do not matter very much when they are not relevant for the highlights.
So there is nearly no chance to find all one is awaiting from a picture today: they just cared for other things than full accuracy.

VMS shows some good examples for this, just like this one here:

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This bathtub has of course not a row of windows down under waterline.
These pregnant ladies are "bathing" behind this window wall, artist shrinked it in his drawing to show what is going on there.
Quite typical.
He even used that curve to let his manuevre disappear a bit.


As for window walls:
this is, again, at Mangup, near maingate, lower than the fortress is located.
I really would like to know if there is enough space in this room for a bigger bathtub.
Will do next days something in a separate thread about folios that may correlate with Mangup (apart from the map)

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RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map - R. Sale - 17-04-2025

Did you mean 'just any old nine pregnant ladies' in a fountain that was decorated with an arcaded pattern? It's a combination that is difficult to find.

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RE: f85v and 86(part): using the Voynich Map - Stefan Wirtz_2 - 18-04-2025

(17-04-2025, 09:14 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Did you mean 'just any old nine pregnant ladies' in a fountain that was decorated with an arcaded pattern? It's a combination that is difficult to find.

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Wrote about a basin in meaning perspective out of a row of bathtubs were proportions and physics do not count much, and none of those others show any decoration, not even a half one. So that is a split.