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RE: Transcription problem - f68v3 and Rosettes foldout - Mark Knowles - 02-01-2020
(02-01-2020, 11:32 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Just to note that the T-O maps of the time were not uniform and sometimes had continents swapped. I believe we discussed that on the forum.
For another note, in the view of some hints that the author heavily relied upon mnemonics (a T-O diagram being essentially one of those), the inscriptions in the sectors would likely be NOT the continents names, but rather some relevant information about the continents (or related thereto). What the particular continent is would be clear from the T-O map itself.
It is possible, but without firmer evidence that the author opted for a very non-standard form of representation I think the default assumption has to be that they are the continents. Anything is possible, but it seems to me one has to start with what seems very much most probable.
RE: Transcription problem - f68v3 and Rosettes foldout - -JKP- - 02-01-2020
Yes, they might be continents, but that does not necessarily mean they are labeled as such.
RE: Transcription problem - f68v3 and Rosettes foldout - Mark Knowles - 02-01-2020
(02-01-2020, 11:32 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Just to note that the T-O maps of the time were not uniform and sometimes had continents swapped. I believe we discussed that on the forum.
For another note, in the view of some hints that the author heavily relied upon mnemonics (a T-O diagram being essentially one of those), the inscriptions in the sectors would likely be NOT the continents names, but rather some relevant information about the continents (or related thereto). What the particular continent is would be clear from the T-O map itself.
It does seem pretty rare for the continents to be swapped as you describe.
RE: Transcription problem - f68v3 and Rosettes foldout - Mark Knowles - 02-01-2020
(02-01-2020, 11:43 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Yes, they might be continents, but that does not necessarily mean they are labeled as such.
You are right it doesn't. They could be labelled "Gooseberry", "Spade" and "Whistle". However in keeping with the overwhelming majority of T/O maps it is far more likely they say Africa, Europe and Asia. I am going on probabilities i.e. the overwhelming likelihood that we have the standard representation, unless there are good reasons to think otherwise. The only argument I can see is that the author could have put different things in each T/O to avoid duplication, but I still think this unlikely.
RE: Transcription problem - f68v3 and Rosettes foldout - Aga Tentakulus - 03-01-2020
Has anyone already had the idea that he doesn't write Asia but Persia?
For the word Persus you need 3 symbols. But there are 4. The "o" is 90% separate from the word. ( der, die, das = the )
Just an idea.
RE: Transcription problem - f68v3 and Rosettes foldout - -JKP- - 03-01-2020
Mark, for a couple of centuries intelligent people have been looking at the VMS, trying to figure it out and probably 90% of them recognize a T-O yet I haven't seen a credible translation of the "labels" in those three slots.
RE: Transcription problem - f68v3 and Rosettes foldout - Anton - 03-01-2020
There's no problem in pursuing the "face value" approach (i.e. the labels are the continent names), I just wanted to hint the possible pitfalls.
Re swapping: yes, not frequent, but I've seen Europe and Africa swapped. Can't find the thread right now.
RE: Transcription problem - f68v3 and Rosettes foldout - Mark Knowles - 03-01-2020
(03-01-2020, 12:17 AM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Has anyone already had the idea that he doesn't write Asia but Persia?
For the word Persus you need 3 symbols. But there are 4. The "o" is 90% separate from the word. ( der, die, das = the )
Just an idea.
I think occasionally you can see "Libia" instead of Africa.
(03-01-2020, 12:28 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There's no problem in pursuing the "face value" approach (i.e. the labels are the continent names), I just wanted to hint the possible pitfalls.
Re swapping: yes, not frequent, but I've seen Europe and Africa swapped. Can't find the thread right now.
Anton, I agree it is worth pointing these things out, so thanks for that. I guess my approach is to work on what I think is by far and away the most likely scenario.
RE: Transcription problem - f68v3 and Rosettes foldout - Anton - 03-01-2020
(03-01-2020, 12:28 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.There's no problem in pursuing the "face value" approach (i.e. the labels are the continent names), I just wanted to hint the possible pitfalls.
Re swapping: yes, not frequent, but I've seen Europe and Africa swapped. Can't find the thread right now.
Ah, dug that out. See You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. and subsequent comments.
RE: Transcription problem - f68v3 and Rosettes foldout - Aga Tentakulus - 03-01-2020
Possibly he does not set geography or size, but by priority.