(29-11-2016, 01:32 AM)Anonymous Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.

(20-11-2016, 11:39 AM)farmerjohn Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.stellar, the plant drawn on this page is savory. Take a look at You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. or google "savory". The word "savory" itself appears in text as ydy (conilis)

I think the plant looks more like You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. with the thickness of the flowers and thin leaves, it's a type of daisy. The petals on a savory flower is few compared to what the VM plant depicts.

(29-11-2016, 08:51 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Koen Thanks for your thoughts,

But I don't see it from your perspective.  When I use a Gematria engine it finds a word or phrase number associated with a ciphered word number that I have built, thus eliminating hundreds of thousands of words. So I look backwards and forwards from 200-500 words that equal the same word number from a ciphered word I put in the Gematria Engine.  Then I repeat for the 2nd word which can bring up about the same amount of words from the lists (i.e. 200-500). Then I go about a process of elimination looking for sentence structure with words that fit the model of the sentence or phrase of the whole paragraph.  Sometimes I start in the middle of a sentence of the VMS text with ciphered words I have pulled to look for key meanings, then go backwards or forwards through out the Gematria lists.  I'm finding most of the words in English Gematria.

When you find interrelationships with words from the Gematria lists which build a VMS sentence its not that complicated.  Like when you find the word, "The", that begins at the start of a sentence in most cases or its like a conjunction for emphasis on a noun in a sentence.

For instance the Ros 2 folio I had 19 words to put together and form some coherent logic and it was not that difficult.

(29-11-2016, 05:40 AM)stellar Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Well the meaning I'm deriving using association for sentence or phrase structure seems to have some correlation.

Quote:The pupils, at his command, took each of them hold of an iron handle, whereof there were forty fixed round the edges of the frame; and giving them a sudden turn, the whole disposition of the words was entirely changed.  He then commanded six-and-thirty of the lads, to read the several lines softly, as they appeared upon the frame; and where they found three or four words together that might make part of a sentence, they dictated to the four remaining boys, who were scribes.

(30-11-2016, 01:12 AM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Something like that was implemented in the Grand Academy of Lagado, according to Swift.

Quote:The pupils, at his command, took each of them hold of an iron handle, whereof there were forty fixed round the edges of the frame; and giving them a sudden turn, the whole disposition of the words was entirely changed.  He then commanded six-and-thirty of the lads, to read the several lines softly, as they appeared upon the frame; and where they found three or four words together that might make part of a sentence, they dictated to the four remaining boys, who were scribes.

(30-11-2016, 09:15 PM)VViews Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Stellar,

I may completely disagree with your successive methods and results, but I must give you props for building your own volvelle from folio printouts. I've meant to try that for ages but, like many things, it got lost in procrastination.


I've always found it interesting when people are willing to experiment in 3D/real life constructions in connection with the Voynich, like Steve Ekwall's folding key or Rich SantaColoma's video of the Rosette map in 3D.
It looks very cool.

(01-12-2016, 09:59 AM)bunny Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Hi,

I have just had a scan through your results below.  I was attracted to your thread by the title "Lament from the sea" which though from a different folio sounded poetically similar to part of a text I found working in Sanskrit  - "space (ie. the sky), like an ocean with no shore....).  Some results people find seem to be very technical others very poetic, although less making sense as read word for word in English this does seem to be what is found.

I am soon to publish a theory suggesting that all the differing results people find in different languages (by various means) have a common thread and are all to some degree correct.  Your work seems to be going in that direction also and I would like to include your work as an example also, for the "Welsh" translation contents  I know it sounds very outlandish and will no doubt upset many resarchers but it will speak for its self, or not.  I will follow your work with interest and don't be put off by what anyone may say about your methods, that has happened with many researchers many times, your findings do fit the pattern and you are not alone in that.  There is much botany, science etc in the Voynich Manuscript and this is all vital work, but also what appears to be a less than academically explainable overall theme to the manuscript. 

Bunny