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RE: Vord verifier - -JKP- - 01-11-2016
(31-10-2016, 11:21 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That would have been my follow up question. I am nearly certain that labels represent actual words.
One could argue of course that labels are governed by a different system than paragraphs, but I'm not sure if there is any evidence to support that.
It has been my feeling for a long time, based on observations of the components (glyph combinations) that make up the text, that the labels are mostly but not entirely the same. I am guessing that they may be more heavily abbreviated than the main text (I have other ideas about the differences as well, but this explanation seems one of the more likely ones).
There are significant patterns of relationships within the text (where vords repeat in other sections) that "skip over" the labels and then continue on subsequent pages.
As an aside related to the Rugg discussion on the other thread... This certainly wouldn't happen if the text were created with a grille and the same grill were used throughout.
RE: Vord verifier - -JKP- - 01-11-2016
(31-10-2016, 02:57 PM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thanks Marco - well, there's definitely room for improvement then!.
I made some changes to the table, but it is still not totally perfect. I definitely don't think this is the full answer, but I've been looking for a way to generalize similar components of vords.
Just an idea - Back to the drawing board then
Thomas, have you considered adding EVA-d to the second-last or third-last column? I think it's worth considering, given the high proportion of vords that end with dy that cannot be accommodated by the d in column 9.
I can't run calculations during the workday to see how this influences the other factors (e.g., to see if another column is necessary or just an addition to an existing column or any number of other ways it may need to be reshuffled to accommodate the d), but a glance-through tells me it increases the percentage that can be generated with the chart.
RE: Vord verifier - ThomasCoon - 01-11-2016
(31-10-2016, 11:21 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(31-10-2016, 11:15 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(31-10-2016, 10:27 PM)Koen Gh. Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.You mean like each word represents a letter and each line a word?
What about labels?
That would have been my follow up question. I am nearly certain that labels represent actual words.
One could argue of course that labels are governed by a different system than paragraphs, but I'm not sure if there is any evidence to support that.
Koen and Anton, that is a good point. I have been overcome - I don't have an answer for that.
(31-10-2016, 11:52 PM)Anton Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.In any case, I'd like to stress the point that is trivial but nonetheless easily forgotten in a discussion about the possible rules or algorithms.
If one suggests a procedure for encoding, then a procedure for (unambigous) decoding should be conceivable as well.
And, vice versa, if one suggests a decoding procedure, then the respcetive encoding procedure should be conceivable.
Respectively, if a set of "instructions" is supposed to convert Voynichese to plain text, then what would be the set of instructions to achieve the opposite? How, with a specific output, we achieve "[qo present]+[any galllows]+[ch]+[any group from column 6]+[o]+[any group from column 11]"?
I have not even thought out all the possible systems that could employ such an idea, but one idea might be a table like below. It does not take up much vellum and it solves for the "few repeating strings of vords" problem. However, I actually don't believe this is close to the solution / on the right track:
(Again, just for the sake of argument. I'm not actually proposing this system)
(01-11-2016, 01:43 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Thomas, have you considered adding EVA-d to the second-last or third-last column? I think it's worth considering, given the high proportion of vords that end with dy that cannot be accommodated by the d in column 9.
I can't run calculations during the workday to see how this influences the other factors (e.g., to see if another column is necessary or just an addition to an existing column or any number of other ways it may need to be reshuffled to accommodate the d), but a glance-through tells me it increases the percentage that can be generated with the chart.
Thanks -JKP-, I think you are right; there might be another <d> somewhere towards the end.