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RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Koen G - 21-08-2026
In Kircher, it is a tower near the Hanging Gardens of Babylon. This is not about the biblical story.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - nablator - 21-08-2026
(21-08-2026, 12:45 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A reference to the Book of Enoch regarding the 7th and 8th heavens—it probably came across poorly in the translation.
As poorly as "a 1978 Chevrolet Malibu, as described in the book of Enoch".
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 21-08-2026
(21-08-2026, 01:02 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(21-08-2026, 12:45 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.A reference to the Book of Enoch regarding the 7th and 8th heavens—it probably came across poorly in the translation.
As poorly as "a 1978 Chevrolet Malibu, as described in the book of Enoch".
And what is your opinion, please, on the resemblance to the Tower of Babel?
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - nablator - 21-08-2026
(21-08-2026, 01:12 PM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And what is your opinion, please, on the resemblance to the Tower of Babel?
You mean a tower built in the ground, with no relation whatsoever to the Tower of Babel?
If you want something authentically Ethiopian (like 1 Enoch), the rock-hewn churches of Lalibela would do: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Oscroft - 21-08-2026
(21-08-2026, 12:24 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.This is a nice parallel, but note the crucial absence of a spire or other roof structure. The whole idea of the Tower of Babel was that it could not be finished because God confused people's languages and scattered them across the earth.
And as the purpose of the Tower of Babel was to reach up to and enter the heavens, they surely wouldn't want a spire or roof structure, would they? On the other hand, there have been thousands of tall buildings over the centuries with spiral ascent structures (including internal ones).
So my first thought if I saw a medieval illustration of a finished tower with a roof - especially one shown not reaching the heavens - would be a long way from Babel.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Oscroft - 21-08-2026
(21-08-2026, 01:23 PM)nablator Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.If you want something authentically Ethiopian (like 1 Enoch), the rock-hewn churches of Lalibela would do: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
As an aside, that's one of the sites I'd love to visit. I've visited similar structures in India, and they're truly awesome (in the real sense of the word - inspiring awe!)
Digressing,
Alan
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Radim Dobeš - 21-08-2026
(21-08-2026, 07:33 AM)Radim Dobeš Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Today, I would like to present further compelling evidence regarding Athanasius Kircher's influence on the creation of the VMS. His work *Turris Babel* (1679) contains numerous depictions of the Tower of Babel; in it, Kircher addresses human pride and other vices. On the VMS map, this Tower of Babel is situated on the line connecting the seventh and eighth heavens, as described in the Book of Enoch. To me, this serves as further proof that the map is a cosmological depiction of the universe featuring celestial spheres. After all, the Tower of Babel symbolized humanity's desire and pride in attempting to draw closer to God. I believe this also warrants a re-evaluation of the date when the content of certain VMS folios was created.
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My goal was to compare this specific image by Athanasius Kircher with an object in the VMS. I was not looking for other images of the Tower of Babel. There are two points involved: establishing the view that the rosettes are celestial spheres, and challenging the dating of the VMS text's creation.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Rafal - 21-08-2026
Quote:In Kircher, it is a tower near the Hanging Gardens of Babylon. This is not about the biblical story.
I really don't know. Maybe the artist (I guess Kircher didn't illustrate his book himself) messed things up and drew complete tower while it should be incomplete.
Notice that in the biblical narration the tower isn't destroyed by God, it is just left incomplete. It is okay to assume that any drawing of ancient Babylon will have this tower present.
Here is another picture from the work of Kircher showing both incomplete and complete tower (on the sketch):
![[Image: 500px-Athanasius_Kircher_-_Turris_Babel_...=thumbnail]](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Athanasius_Kircher_-_Turris_Babel_-_1679_%28page_5_crop%29.jpg/500px-Athanasius_Kircher_-_Turris_Babel_-_1679_%28page_5_crop%29.jpg?utm_source=en.wikipedia.org&utm_campaign=imageinfo&utm_content=thumbnail)
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Koen G - 21-08-2026
The architect showing the plans for the complete tower is there to show man's haughty ambitions and to highlight that those plans will not be completed.
RE: Voynich is encrypted ENOCH - Koen G - 21-08-2026
Please ask your favorite LLM if Athanasius Kircher believed the tower of Babel was completed.