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RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - -JKP- - 05-10-2016

I did another version using slightly different tools. When I tweak the colors so the bottom line shows up better, the middle line tends to drop out and vice versa. It's difficult to get an overall clear result, but here it is:

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RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - EllieV - 05-10-2016

Couple of examples from 15th century manuscripts of books with Gold-leaf edges.

       

RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - Sam G - 05-10-2016

I don't see the text you guys are talking about in the cube, but you might want to try the "ColSep" plugin that can be found here:

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You need a 32-bit version of Photoshop, however.

RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - Davidsch - 06-10-2016

I do not think those are book clasps, because the position on the blue cube is not aligned the way clasps should be positioned: they are always positioned in the centre if there is 1 or if there are more, they are on an even divided space from the edge of the book.

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these things could be two holders for the pens and/or ink pots.  I conclude it on the form and also there the position is not for hinges or clasps.

The idea that it is a book is to my liking, but i find the positioning of the drawing in the VMS very strange to be such a book. If it would be a book, the angle of the drawing for such is very strange in the VMS, the drawing should have been rotated 30 or 45 degree to left for example to be typical and it would contain stripes where the pages of the book would be, as your examples show.

RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - EllieV - 06-10-2016

(06-10-2016, 10:50 AM)Davidsch Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I do not think those are book clasps, because the position on the blue cube is not aligned the way clasps should be positioned: they are always positioned in the centre if there is 1 or if there are more, they are on an even divided space from the edge of the book.

@ellie, in your picture ARUNDEL, You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
these things could be two holders for the pens and/or ink pots.  I conclude it on the form and also there the position is not for hinges or clasps.

The idea that it is a book is to my liking, but i find the positioning of the drawing in the VMS very strange to be such a book. If it would be a book, the angle of the drawing for such is very strange in the VMS, the drawing should have been rotated 30 or 45 degree to left for example to be typical and it would contain stripes where the pages of the book would be, as your examples show.
I agree with you that positioning is too weird for clasps (as I mentioned earlier).

You are probably right about the Arundel drawing. I thought they are clasps because they are shaped similarly to clasps in fancier manuscripts. I thought they are just hanging on the side because the book is open. I could be wrong - I agree.
   

RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - MarcoP - 06-10-2016

The illustration of sapo / sabon (soap) from "Hortus sanitatis" (img 437)
Alternative Title Liber de Herbis.
Reference Title Hortus sanitatis, 1491.
Botany, Medical.
Botany--Pre-Linnean works.
Publisher Moguntaie : Jacobus Meydenbach
DateOriginal 1491

The book is mostly a herbal, but a few of the illustrated ingredients are not plants.
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RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - Diane - 06-10-2016

My reasons for thinking it represents indigo relate to the fact that it occurs within a series of plant-bits (some of which I felt could be identified) and in the context of those ornate vessels which are not of European style.  Also, directly below the block is a piece of material (in the general sense) which bears a label almost identical to that set against the block: which suggests some characteristic, common to both, defined them for the first person who made the imagery and labels.

I think it is vital to consider each item, and each detail, within the context provided by the particular folio and section and the information provided by the manuscript, overall.  It helps prevent anachronism, anyway.

So that matter below the block - to cut a long story short - is depicted in a way which was meant to tell the reader that it refers to a particular use for cloth; that unusual edging was characteristic of certain eastern canopies and parasols.  Since the ornate vessels also find their nearest counterpart in the Buddhist environment of the east, and indigo or saffron were the most commonly used colours, and medieval accounts of the marketing of indigo tell us that it was sold stitched into cloth packets (the buyer was allowed to make a small hole to check the contents), so altogether I concluded that the blue packet referred to indigo and the object below it a piece of indigo-dyed fabric, apparently labelled with a word whose first part is also the name of the block.   The gold or yellow might, I suppose, refer to saffron, or to the very high value of true indigo.  Or, indeed, the original might have been saffron and the cloth saffron coloured too.  But they are blue now.

I can see no reason, myself, why the material below the block should be called "blue cheese cloth" - the cloths used to hang cheese do not ever seem to have been dyed.  I suppose it might be a cloth intended to wrap or bind a book... but  that doesn't make so much sense to me in the context where these images occur - or, indeed, in the historical context.  But perhaps I need to read up a little on the history of cloth bindings.

D.

RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - stellar - 06-10-2016

(05-10-2016, 08:56 AM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.I did another version using slightly different tools. When I tweak the colors so the bottom line shows up better, the middle line tends to drop out and vice versa. It's difficult to get an overall clear result, but here it is:

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I see a date of 1546 thanks JKP, now I can  research what John Dee was doing in that year Smile  This was an important year for John Dee, he graduated and became a fellow at Trinity College.

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RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - Koen G - 06-10-2016

Thread summary: John Dee hid his graduation date in a block of blue cheese with eyes.

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Marco, soap is an idea I haven't heard before. Would there have been any kind based on plant material?

RE: The yellow/blue cube in f102v2 - davidjackson - 06-10-2016

I remember there is a genius sapon (Latin: soap) for a family of plants much used in traditional soaps. Don't remember much else about them - soap comes in a bottle for me