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RE: A new instance of poxleber - monisusa - 03-08-2026
(02-08-2026, 05:49 PM)JustAnotherTheory Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Well, almost. It's an instance of "boxleber", but to me the interesting part is that the author chose to write the genitive with an "x". To my knowledge, "boxleber" is as rare as "poxleber".
Anyway, it is from You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (early 1500s), Switzerland.
My reading: "... oder mit eynem guten Syrop / Sommer boxleber / es koste was es wolle / es sol uns kein gelt rewen".
Source: Augsburg, Staats- und Stadtbibliothek -- 4 Th H 1735
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As to poxleber: The German sound /ks/ can be spelled in different ways, x, chs, gs, cks. Since orthographie was not yet standardized in the 15th century there were various and individual kinds of spelling.
The scribe of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. decided to write poxleber. Here the sound shift of the Upper German region b > p is apparent. It doesn't make much sense to discuss this
word over and over again. I explained the use in medieval medicin in my study You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view..
RE: A new instance of poxleber - ololololo - 03-08-2026
@monisusa, don't believe that your theory is the only correct one
We need to remember that we can't know anything for sure about VMS, no matter how much research we do.
RE: A new instance of poxleber - Bernd - 03-08-2026
By the way - did anyone ever manage to acquire a scan of the original Kitzbühel document from 1503 mentioning poxleber?
We know it from this PDF:
Die älteren Stadtrechtsquellen von Kitzbuhel.
Dr. Ferd. Kogler, Ferd.-Zeitschrift. III. Folge. 52. Heft.
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p.86
Nr. XII.
1503 Februar 6.
Satzung der Bürger in Markt- und Gewerbesachen.
Gleichzeitige Kopie im Stadtarchiv in Kitzbühel cod. 2, fol. 90 ff.
Quote:Fleischhackher und die vaist vich kauffen in der meil
wechs auch ains tails ausserhalben.
Item die fleischhackher sollen alle 14 tag ain oxen schlachen,
der zwen muesen vier Reinisch gulden gesten oder mer. Sollen
das rindfleisch geben fronwag zu fier fierer und sunst ander rindrens
auch also.
Das schäffen ain phundt umb funffthalben fierer.
Das kelbrein ain phundt umb drey fierer.
Das gaisein ain phundt umb drei fierer.
Das peckhein ain phundt umb drei fierer.
Ain kalberkopf umb ain kreutzer.
Ain greb umb ain kreutzer.
Ain kresl umb drei fierer.
Ain poxleber umb ain kreutzer.
It's a legal deed fixing the prices a butcher may charge for his products. I'd like t see how this 'poxleber' was written in the original document. It should be in:
Stadtarchiv in Kitzbühel cod. 2, fol. 90 ff.
RE: A new instance of poxleber - Koen G - 03-08-2026
(03-08-2026, 02:53 PM)Bernd Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It's a legal deed fixing the prices a butcher may charge for his products. I'd like t see how this 'poxleber' was written in the original document. It should be in:
Stadtarchiv in Kitzbühel cod. 2, fol. 90 ff.
It might be interesting if a native German speaker with the required communicative skills could ask them is there's a kind librarian that may send a picture of this entry. Bernd?
(If anyone would like to contact them, please mention it here first, so we don't have several emails going out).
RE: A new instance of poxleber - Bernd - 04-08-2026
Yes, no problem. I'll ask them if they can provide a scan or photo. I can't go to Kitzbühel myself anytime soon if required, maybe in autumn.