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RE: Hidden animals in the roots - Koen G - 26-12-2025
(26-12-2025, 06:38 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.The colors are not original.
We don't know that™
RE: Hidden animals in the roots - Jorge_Stolfi - 26-12-2025
(26-12-2025, 07:20 PM)Koen G Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.We don't know that™
We don't know anything.
But in this case we have one bit of direct evidence (the paint over folio number on f42r) and lots of indirect evidence. Such as the fact that may plants had their leaves painted in alternating colors, in a non-naturalistic way. Or the brilliant red leaves of f16v. Or paint obscuring details that the Author should have cared about, like the leaf outlines of You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. (making each 5-leaf bundle look like a single leaf with 5 points), the tail and two legs of the "otter" on f79v, the label on the jar of f102v1...
Whereas the opposite theory -- that the painting follows the Author's intent -- does not have any supporting evidence. Has it?
All the best, --stolfi
RE: Hidden animals in the roots - Aga Tentakulus - 28-12-2025
(26-12-2025, 08:02 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Such as the fact that may plants had their leaves painted in alternating colors, in a non-naturalistic way.
I see that as natural.
For me, it makes a difference whether the plant loses its leaves in winter or whether it is evergreen.
And there are definitely three painters. They are called Good, Bad and Terrible. Now I can no longer just lump them all together.
With f42r, it is not clear, as the water stain also affects the whole number.
RE: Hidden animals in the roots - Jorge_Stolfi - 28-12-2025
(28-12-2025, 04:20 PM)Aga Tentakulus Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.For me, it makes a difference whether the plant loses its leaves in winter or whether it is evergreen.
But there are many plants where that cannot be the explanation:
- On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. the leaves alternate between green and white (unpainted).
- Ditto on f22v.
- Ditto on f37v.
- Ditto on f43r.
- Ditto on f49v.
- On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. each leaf has zebra-stripes, green and white.
- On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. the leaves alternate between green and blue (with "dirty brush" effect).
- On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. the leaves are green on the side facing the interior of the "cup", brown on the other side.
- On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. some leaves are green, some brown, and some light blue.
- On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. the leaves alternate between green and dark blue.
- On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. the leaves are green, ocher, and white.
- On You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. the leaves are green with a dark blue core.
- Ditto on f56r.
Quote:And there are definitely three painters. They are called Good, Bad and Terrible.
That may be the case, yes. It would explain why the quality seems to oscillate from page to page. Maybe we can classify pages by "handpainting", as well as handwriting?
All the best, --stolfi
RE: Hidden animals in the roots - Aga Tentakulus - 28-12-2025
Sure, but much of it is just a graphic representation, otherwise everything would just be green.
Example: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view. How are you supposed to draw and paint that? All green? How do you draw shadows with just one colour tone?
RE: Hidden animals in the roots - Rafal - 28-12-2025
Quote:And there are definitely three painters. They are called Good, Bad and Terrible.
I haven't heard about three but heard about two - smooth painter and coarse painter.
From the blog of Koen:
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And if there are more than one person involved, we don't know for sure how they are related. They could be mates doing the original job in the same time in the same room or they could live 150 years one after another.
Are there any links suggesting 3 painters?
RE: Hidden animals in the roots - Koen G - 28-12-2025
Quick note with that blog post: early 2017 I was still pretty new to Voynich research and hadn't done much actual research yet. For the course vs smooth painter I was citing JPK, though it's probably something Nick Pelling must also have worked on.
After that, I spent a lot of time desperately trying to consistently separate the two painters, but failed. Throughout the manuscript, you find a continuum of smoothness in application, all using the same color palette. Given the inconsistency and unpredictability, I concluded that it is not necessary to invent multiple painters for what can be explained by a single inconsistent and overall unskilled painter.
In other words, I liked the multiple painter idea, tried to find evidence for it, but found nothing that worked in its favor.