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RE: Castle Runkelstein & The Vintlers - JoJo_Jost - 03-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 04:56 PM)JustAnotherTheory Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Are you referring to this in f116v?The image is from the first page of this thread; it's in German, and I wanted to know the source
But I just realized that part is almost a year old... too bad...
RE: Castle Runkelstein & The Vintlers - Jorge_Stolfi - 04-04-2026
(03-04-2026, 06:30 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(03-04-2026, 04:56 PM)JustAnotherTheory Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Are you referring to this in f116v?The image is from the first page of this thread; it's in German, and I wanted to know the source
For whatever it is worth, it seems that "al-adab" in Arabic originally meant "ethics", "etiquette" but has become to mean means "literature", "writings" and things like that.
The "Al-adab Al-Mufrad" is a book of ethics that is important within Islam. That "aladaba" could maybe maybe possibly perhaps be a shortened form of the Latinized version of the name of that book, or some other Arabic book. Like "almagest" and "algebra"...
All the best, --stolfi
RE: Castle Runkelstein & The Vintlers - 008348dc760f858fd668476b75fb6f - 04-04-2026
(04-04-2026, 05:11 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(03-04-2026, 06:30 PM)JoJo_Jost Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(03-04-2026, 04:56 PM)JustAnotherTheory Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Are you referring to this in f116v?The image is from the first page of this thread; it's in German, and I wanted to know the source
For whatever it is worth, it seems that "al-adab" in Arabic originally meant "ethics", "etiquette" but has become to mean means "literature", "writings" and things like that.
The "Al-adab Al-Mufrad" is a book of ethics that is important within Islam. That "aladaba" could maybe maybe possibly perhaps be a shortened form of the Latinized version of the name of that book, or some other Arabic book. Like "almagest" and "algebra"...
All the best, --stolfi
I don't have access to the notes with the source MS, it was an online digitised source somewhat contemporary to the VMS. It's an example of Arabic transliterated to German and from memory it refers to one of the stars or star clusters, likely Aldebaran, i.e the eye of Taurus. It is one of the 15 Bahenian/Persian stars leveraged in hermetic charm magic. This is a good run down of the topic: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
And this compiles some source texts into a single cogent whole:
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RE: Castle Runkelstein & The Vintlers - GracefulShinjo - 12-07-2026
(25-04-2025, 06:02 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That's a good one. Clearly, the exception proves the rule. It is a woman with a crown holding two fish. Likewise, the VMs must be examined with the same level of detail.
Mermaids are half fish - from the waist down. Not from the knees down - like the VMs. The VMs is not a mermaid, it is something else. She is the mythical Melusine in her less dragon-like, more mermaid-like, Luxembourgian representation. The various Valois rulers of the VMs C-14 era claimed her as an ancestor [Jean de Berry, Philip the Good].
Also a Visconti married into the House of Valois if I recall correctly, an ancestress of Francis I. This would be another connection to France besides the fact that the artist was working under the International Gothic movement.
RE: Castle Runkelstein & The Vintlers - R. Sale - 12-07-2026
It was Isabella who married Gian Galeazzo Visconti, through their daughter Valentina and several generations.
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RE: Castle Runkelstein & The Vintlers - GracefulShinjo - 12-07-2026
(12-07-2026, 11:55 PM)R. Sale Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.It was Isabella who married Gian Galeazzo Visconti, through their daughter Valentina and several generations.Yep. That’s her. I have speculated the manuscript has ties to the Duchy of Milan as mentioned in a thread I created and on a few comment sections of Voynich Talk
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