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RE: Eastern Astrology present in VMS - oshfdk - 25-09-2025
(25-09-2025, 01:07 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Indeed, the Voynichese glyphs (except q) seem to have been designed as systematic combinations of simple strokes in pairs:
BTW, the opposite of a may occur in the manuscript. For example, this ocTho from f72r.3, not only it's a weird symmetrical word, but the first glyph looks like \). Is this intentional or a slip of the pen, I don't know. Also, I'm not even sure this is ocTho and not octho, it looks as if the part of the horizontal bar between the legs of t is missing. There are a lot of maybes in the manuscript.
RE: Eastern Astrology present in VMS - Jorge_Stolfi - 26-09-2025
(25-09-2025, 01:30 PM)oshfdk Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.BTW, the opposite of a may occur in the manuscript. For example, this ocTho from f72r.3, not only it's a weird symmetrical word, but the first glyph looks like \). Is this intentional or a slip of the pen, I don't know.
And this HAD to be one of the pages that Beinecke chose to image at lower resolution (2600/235 pixels/mm instead of the usual 3500/235). And to omit from the multispectral scan.
Indeed, that is an occurrence of the stroke combination that I said "does not occur at all" in my previous post.
I cannot tell whether that "anti-a" was penned by the original Scribe or by one of those ghostly Retracers who now live rent-free in by head. (The original trace may have looked like that of the outer star at 09:00, or the hand of the outer nymph at 12:00.)
Either way, I would bet that this glyph was meant to be a regular o, as the transcribers read it. An accidental deformation seems much more likely than a glyph that occurs only once or twice in the whole book.
Quote:Also, I'm not even sure this is ocTho and not octho, it looks as if the part of the horizontal bar between the legs of t is missing.
I would bet on oCTho, for the same reason...
Quote:There are a lot of maybes in the manuscript.
You don't say...
RE: Eastern Astrology present in VMS - ReneZ - 26-09-2025
(26-09-2025, 05:57 AM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.And this HAD to be one of the pages that Beinecke chose to image at lower resolution (2600/235 pixels/mm instead of the usual 3500/235).
It was digitised at the usual resolution. For some reason, the wider (foldout) pages have been downscaled in the online images at the digital library.
RE: Eastern Astrology present in VMS - quimqu - 26-09-2025
(25-09-2025, 01:07 PM)Jorge_Stolfi Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(25-09-2025, 11:12 AM)quimqu Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.Even a can be seen as e attached to a i => eiIndeed, the Voynichese glyphs (except q) seem to have been designed as systematic combinations of simple strokes in pairs:
In fact, e shaped characters would be: a b c d g h s y u (even that it could be e n) and i shaped characters would be: j l m n r
(The "red lines" are missing in that image, sorry.)
The column of the ligature should not be in the table. Instead there should be a column for the h glyph, which I believe is a single stroke. The two gyphs in that column would be Ch and Ih.
Look at this one... d really seems to be first written as e
![[Image: x6Z5Xag.png]](https://i.imgur.com/x6Z5Xag.png)
RE: Eastern Astrology present in VMS - eggyk - 27-02-2026
Thought I would add this here. There are some aspects of Taoism that match with the astrology in the VMS.
Most obvious is the very frequent use of white or black dots connected with lines to represent stars and constellations. Its normal to see them in star charts, but they are also commonly used to invoke their power.
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The character under the 3 stars is 敕令, which appears to mean "Imperial Edict", but also is used to represent Celestial Authority or Divine Power in taoist rituals and talismans. In that sense, it wouldn't be surprising to see such a concept used in a way like the rosettes, with the sun, the earth and celestial authority in the corners.
An important constellation is the big dipper, which is seen as "the supreme ruler of the heavens". "Pacing the Dipper" is a ritual where someone draws out the stars of the dipper on the ground and paces along them, reciting incantations in order to communicate with the gods.
According to You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.: "The Big Dipper is also called the Celestial Matrix and the Earthly Pattern. So the first function of the Pacing is to pace the Dipper according to the Diagram of the Stars. It is thought that by pacing it the ritual master, crossing the Nine Quarters and patrolling the universe, has been to the Nine Heavens, flying over the realm of Immortals."
If anyone is interested in rabbit holes, many examples of stars being depicted/used in this way can be found at: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Beware: there are 36 pdfs there, most of which are 1000s of pages long.
Other links that are useful:
The Taoist Canon, A Historical Companion To The Daozang: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
Taoism: An Essential Guide by Eva Wong: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.
The Free and Easy Escape Techniques - Maoshan Qimen Secret Manual: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.