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RE: I found Gaia-Gea - bunny - 23-12-2016
(23-12-2016, 12:19 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[quote pid='10158' dateline='1482483453']
Teague was using anagrams. Given the preponderance of vowels and the high level of repetition, shuffling the above letters doesn't do much to increase their readibility.
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Yes he was and so have others including myself, also the words mostly lacked all letters by 1 or 2. Modern text speak is heading the way of missing letters and shorthand adverts of the old days looked like this:
If u cn rd ths, u cn bcm a sec & gt a gd jb
I'm guessing everyone can read that mostly it's just missing vowels. The approach of unscrambling a scrambled and slightly incomplete word is not that different or too many steps removed. While it may present many alternatives to choose from, another often quoted criticism, it would be the ability (if indeed there is such a thing) to pull the needle out of the haystack which is relevant. You have Stellar's "preponderance of vowels and the high level of repetition", find the correct consonants to complete the words.
Bunny
RE: I found Gaia-Gea - ThomasCoon - 24-12-2016
That is indeed an interesting idea which deserves a closer look, but I'm curious how we would work with "oue" or "uoiia" which are all vowels - I don't know any word in Latin, German, or English that has all those vowels.
Also, in your example, many of the words are just missing one vowel (can, get, job etc.) and the letter order is maintained. But in the Stellar sentence, one would have to argue that almost all the consonants have been removed, and anagrams are also used. That is a much more difficult scenario.
(Also: for the non-native English speakers, the sentence says "If you can read this, you can become a sec(retary) and get a good job")
RE: I found Gaia-Gea - -JKP- - 24-12-2016
(23-12-2016, 02:36 PM)bunny Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.(23-12-2016, 12:19 PM)-JKP- Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.[quote pid='10158' dateline='1482483453']
Teague was using anagrams. Given the preponderance of vowels and the high level of repetition, shuffling the above letters doesn't do much to increase their readibility.
Yes he was and so have others including myself, also the words mostly lacked all letters by 1 or 2. Modern text speak is heading the way of missing letters and shorthand adverts of the old days looked like this:
If u cn rd ths, u cn bcm a sec & gt a gd jb
I'm guessing everyone can read that mostly it's just missing vowels. The approach of unscrambling a scrambled and slightly incomplete word is not that different or too many steps removed. While it may present many alternatives to choose from, another often quoted criticism, it would be the ability (if indeed there is such a thing) to pull the needle out of the haystack which is relevant. You have Stellar's "preponderance of vowels and the high level of repetition", find the correct consonants to complete the words.
Bunny
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Bunny, the textspeak you wrote in this message is pretty close to how they wrote Latin in the 15th century if you factor in the various squiggles and lines above the words (and sometimes even those were left out), so those of us who read medieval documents are quite accustomed to looking for abbreviated text and filling in the spaces. It's not something new to us.
But as Thomas points out, if two different people can generate two wildly different interpretations (and that's only in one language, imagine the other language possibilities), then the method (whether right or wrong) does little to reveal what is actually in the document.
RE: I found Gaia-Gea - Koen G - 24-12-2016
Thomas' remark is a very important one here. Consonants are the skeletons if words. If you have a sentence with only consonants, you can often read it. But vowels, they are just stuffing.
You'll find wriring systems where little or no vowels are represented and they are just fine. But leaving only vowels renders a message absolutely useless.
RE: I found Gaia-Gea - bunny - 24-12-2016
(24-12-2016, 04:09 AM)ThomasCoon Wrote: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login to view.That is indeed an interesting idea which deserves a closer look, but I'm curious how we would work with "oue" or "uoiia" which are all vowels - I don't know any word in Latin, German, or English that has all those vowels.
Also, in your example, many of the words are just missing one vowel (can, get, job etc.) and the letter order is maintained. But in the Stellar sentence, one would have to argue that almost all the consonants have been removed, and anagrams are also used. That is a much more difficult scenario.
(Also: for the non-native English speakers, the sentence says "If you can read this, you can become a sec(retary) and get a good job")
Ok I can expand a bit more on the process now as the general gist seems to have been understood. Please bear in mind yet again I'm not talking about the 1:1 standard everyone is looking for and I have worked with such methods before as have others.
Being Latin it is not all vowels anyway as u<=>v, secondly occasionally some words appear to be glued together but not often. It may yes be made to make anything say anything but the people using this approach have not found that dilemma when personally seeking the common thread from within the groups. Anyway I have started a new thread just on this particular sentence and will now add the proposed Latin words.
Bunny